Giro 2017, stage 18: Moena - Ortisei 137 km

[Arnout]

Embarrassing a team like Movistar can't crack one man. Very poor from NQ, times running out.

To you and everyone insulting Quintana (and Nibali). This. is. sport.

End of story, or shut the **** up to the clinic and prepare godmode blood for everyone.

I ain't insulting anybody. The man who is supposedly a much better GT rider with no doubt the strongest team in this race have failed dealing with a one man band when it came NQ's terrain. NQ has obviously not got the form he would have liked or he seriously underestimated his rivals. Its takes more to win a GT than being the best going up high mountains it seems.

Why is it embarrasing?

Please give a straight answer.

 

[hfer07]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

so is he conceding already?

 

[Arnout]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

so is he conceding already?

No he's saying he's not racing for third.

 

[Climbing]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

And he's perfectly right, that's how you race to win, of course it's a gamble.

 

[luckyboy]

Where did Nibali say that

 

[Red Rick]

Was there a headwind on the final climb? Seemed to be the case judging by the action it had.

 

[King Boonen]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

so is he conceding already?

No, he's saying that he only cares about winning.

 

[The Barb]

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Landa made the same mistake again. Rosa should beat him hard this evening!!!

Landa... *face palm*

Wouldn't have made any difference how he played that, TJ was just bigger, fresher and faster

This. Totally different to the finish with Nibali. Landa did very little if anything wrong today. TJ just better.

 

[Arnout]

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Was there a headwind on the final climb? Seemed to be the case judging by the action it had.

Maybe, but also three kms of false flat. Not good for lone attackers versus a group.

 

[movingtarget]

When Quintana stopped his final attack and got on the radio after not making much time it looked like Dumoulin had at least one hand on the trophy.

 

[dgodave]

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Tom Dumoulin wins Giro!

Dutch curse is finally over!

Youre trying to jinx him, you mean person!

 

[Arked]

How Movistar supposed to crack Dumoulin when he is stronger than their own leader? There are also other riders and teams in the picture who wouldn't just sit and watch.

 

[Dukerojo]

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Quintana may not be the best climber in the world (Froome) but he is certainly better than any other riders here. One poor showing does not erase years of results, and instead of just focusing on the Giro like Dumoulin he is trying to win the Tour as well.

I think at this point he should skip the Tour and race the Vuelta instead. Better to win one race than lose two.

I think the problem with Quintana, and the problem I have with Quintana, is that he believed he could win the Giro without being 100%. Which will obviously cost him the Giro, and also shows an arrogance I'm not that fond of.

As previous post got deleted... why is not coming here at 100% (if true) arrogant? You always got highest marks on your school reports?

There is an interview on YouTube, on Spanish, Nairo and Movistar manager saying that the main goal was TDF and that they will try the Giro only if they are close on the last week

 

[GraftPunk]

So much dramas in the forum!

 

[Ramira]

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Quintana may not be the best climber in the world (Froome) but he is certainly better than any other riders here. One poor showing does not erase years of results, and instead of just focusing on the Giro like Dumoulin he is trying to win the Tour as well.

I think at this point he should skip the Tour and race the Vuelta instead. Better to win one race than lose two.

I think the problem with Quintana, and the problem I have with Quintana, is that he believed he could win the Giro without being 100%. Which will obviously cost him the Giro, and also shows an arrogance I'm not that fond of.

As previous post got deleted... why is not coming here at 100% (if true) arrogant? You always got highest marks on your school reports?

Because he decided to go for the double. Clearly he felt that the form he's in right now would be good enough to win the Giro. Otherwise I don't think he'd be here. Maybe arrogant is the wrong word. But he clearly overestimated his own capabilities. He didn't have to ride the Giro, he did because he felt his current form would be enough to give him the win (as it has before).

Although of course there's always the chance he's simply not that good, but honestly I don't see how Dumoulin as much as he's grown as a climber over the last two years would be able to keep up with 100% Quintana.

 

[Arnout]

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Quintana may not be the best climber in the world (Froome) but he is certainly better than any other riders here. One poor showing does not erase years of results, and instead of just focusing on the Giro like Dumoulin he is trying to win the Tour as well.

I think at this point he should skip the Tour and race the Vuelta instead. Better to win one race than lose two.

I think the problem with Quintana, and the problem I have with Quintana, is that he believed he could win the Giro without being 100%. Which will obviously cost him the Giro, and also shows an arrogance I'm not that fond of.

As previous post got deleted... why is not coming here at 100% (if true) arrogant? You always got highest marks on your school reports?

There is an interview on YouTube, on Spanish, Nairo and Movistar manager saying that the main goal was TDF and that they will try the Giro only if they are close on the last week

Tell me what's wrong with that?

 

[SafeBet]

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Loved the comments by Dumoulin.
At the same time I think both Quintana and Nibali did the right thing.

Really? The next two stages are pretty weak. Low gradients tomorrow and Stage 20 is overrated, shouldn't be too much of a problem for Dumoulin.
He's got this.

Nibs and Quintana should of teamed up, gone full out on the attack and work hard together. Instead they raced separately, with separate attacks and separate tactics

I was talking about them not pulling in the final kms.

 

[spalco]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

Yeah, they are both right though, there's no inconsistency here.

Only thing I would answer to Nibali is, that the pink jersey doesn't have to close down every attack, but only those that threaten his position.

Dumoulin shouldn't give Pinot another minute, but right now it's irrelevant.

 

[masking_agent]

Dumoulin toying around with his rivals. He's wining this Giro. I don't see anyone taking it from him. I said from the beginning of the season when Nairo announced the double that it was impossible in this day and age of cycling. It was delusional thinking he could do the double. He's gonna get killed in the tour by Froome. And whats the big deal about Teejay ? He'll never win a grand tour. He's a full time "also ran."

 

[Ataraxus]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

And he's perfectly right, that's how you race to win, of course it's a gamble.

God he's not! How many times do I have to repeat this.

A Pinot and Zaka close to Nibali are a potential help to Tom D in case he is dropped by Nibali.
Because they smell the podium.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Embarrassing a team like Movistar can't crack one man. Very poor from NQ, times running out.

To you and everyone insulting Quintana (and Nibali). This. is. sport.

End of story, or shut the **** up to the clinic and prepare godmode blood for everyone.

I ain't insulting anybody. The man who is supposedly a much better GT rider with no doubt the strongest team in this race have failed dealing with a one man band when it came NQ's terrain. NQ has obviously not got the form he would have liked or he seriously underestimated his rivals. Its takes more to win a GT than being the best going up high mountains it seems.

+1000. I'm not insulting anybody either. Only performances.

 

[Jelantik]

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Dumoulin toying around with his rivals. He's wining this Giro. I don't see anyone taking it from him. I said from the beginning of the season when Nairo announced the double that it was impossible in this day and age of cycling. It was delusional thinking he could do the double. He's gonna get killed in the tour by Froome. And whats the big deal about Teejay ? He'll never win a grand tour. He's a full time "also ran."

in hindsight, TJ finally found his new calling. Go hunt for stage win or KOM. Forget about GC contender. Leave that to Porte and Dennis (maybe)

 

[movingtarget]

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Quintana may not be the best climber in the world (Froome) but he is certainly better than any other riders here. One poor showing does not erase years of results, and instead of just focusing on the Giro like Dumoulin he is trying to win the Tour as well.

I think at this point he should skip the Tour and race the Vuelta instead. Better to win one race than lose two.

I think the problem with Quintana, and the problem I have with Quintana, is that he believed he could win the Giro without being 100%. Which will obviously cost him the Giro, and also shows an arrogance I'm not that fond of.

As previous post got deleted... why is not coming here at 100% (if true) arrogant? You always got highest marks on your school reports?

There is an interview on YouTube, on Spanish, Nairo and Movistar manager saying that the main goal was TDF and that they will try the Giro only if they are close on the last week

That's a load of BS. If you are targeting the double the idea is to win the first one. Quintana already making excuses.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"

"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."

Vincenzo Nibali

so is he conceding already?

It was during the rest day. The quote is here to enlighten some posters here as why he did not pull today.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Where did Nibali say that

Rest day before winning in Bormio.