Quintana's inability to TT decently will always affect his ability to be a multiple tour winner. He will always be a podium contender but falls short of dominating GC races due to his lack of TT ability. He is the one rider under pressure to take time on every mountain stage and he gets more flak than anyone else for not attacking in the mountains every single day. Some days he just doesn't have it and today it was quite obvious that it was one of those days.
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Yes but the excuses will come thick and fast and it's already started. Quintana and team management can't even agree on the information they are giving out about how he is feeling. If he wins the Giro then yes he was going for the double. If he loses then no he wasn't going for it ! The chances are he won't win either if today was any indication.
Hugo Koblet said:
Yes but the excuses will come thick and fast and it's already started. Quintana and team management can't even agree on the information they are giving out about how he is feeling. If he wins the Giro then yes he was going for the double. If he loses then no he wasn't going for it ! The chances are he won't win either if today was any indication.
I can just imagine what would happen in a tour with Dumo having the Sky deluxe train and Froome riding for Sunweb.
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I think Valverde will take over tour leadership contention for movistar in July.
movingtarget said:
I think Valverde will take over tour leadership contention for movistar in July.
Yet another hard ridden stage of the Giro - By my count 4 of the last five stages have been ridden aggressively - It's been an enjoyable Giro.
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I do as well. Of course, we've got only Contador's 2015 over the last 3 years as an example, and he made the mistake of riding and winning the Route du Sud between them.
masking_agent said:
I do as well. Of course, we've got only Contador's 2015 over the last 3 years as an example, and he made the mistake of riding and winning the Route du Sud between them.
Big Tom cannot loose this in high mountains. He does not have to be scared of any attacks in last or penultimate climbs, as long as he can follow the power meter plans. Computers will calculate exactly how much seconds he can loose riding the planned tempo.
He was alone 50 km in stage 16 and he lost practically nothing.
He can lose it only in long range attack missing the decisive split.
He can lose it only the way Froome lost his win and Contador his second place in last Vuelta or Purito in 2012.
He was alone 50 km in stage 16 and he lost practically nothing.
He can lose it only in long range attack missing the decisive split.
He can lose it only the way Froome lost his win and Contador his second place in last Vuelta or Purito in 2012.
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well said. I agree and the proof will be in the penultimate day of the tour as there is a 23km ITT of which Froome will solidify yet another win.
ontheroad said:
well said. I agree and the proof will be in the penultimate day of the tour as there is a 23km ITT of which Froome will solidify yet another win.
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With he remaining stages and their respective profiles, I think Pinot will watch Dumoulin more than the other way around.
Excessive pride is the root of most irrational behaviours. Nibali and Quintana's pride of not racing for second did more harm than good to them today.
Jagartrott said:On the other hand, now Dumoulin will also have to watch Pinot. I think Nibali and Quintana were right. Dumoulin got a free ride most of the day, even though he was without teammates for half of it. If they didn't leave him do some work, he would have been dragged to the line by nr 2 and 3 in the standings. That sounds quite ridiculous.Ataraxus said:Climbing said:Rollthedice said:spalco said:Heh, Dumoulin "Quintana and Nibali only focus on me, [...], would be nice if they lose their podium spot in Milan"
"If there is a simple battle and Dumoulin is alone, the pink jersey has to close [down] everyone who attacks him. If I'm fourth and he asks me to work I won't do a turn, because finishing third or fourth won't change my life."
Vincenzo Nibali
And he's perfectly right, that's how you race to win, of course it's a gamble.
God he's not! How many times I have to repeat this.
A Pinot and Zaka close to Nibali are a potential help to Tom D in case he is dropped by Nibali.
Because they smell the podium.
With he remaining stages and their respective profiles, I think Pinot will watch Dumoulin more than the other way around.
Excessive pride is the root of most irrational behaviours. Nibali and Quintana's pride of not racing for second did more harm than good to them today.
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As we speak somewhere in Sicily the most powerful malochio experts are having an emergency meeting.HelloDolly said:
I don't care what anyone says but this arragonce ...there is a massive presumption that he has won already and Nairo and Nibali are only riding for podium
Plus Nairo went up to him at the end to shake his hands and he had a go then.....if they want to ride only for the win that is their business and it is better for cycling
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/867764868300120064
Plus Nairo went up to him at the end to shake his hands and he had a go then.....if they want to ride only for the win that is their business and it is better for cycling
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/867764868300120064
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Dumo still have a lot to learn. Froome would never say something like that. He knows that his rivals are there to WIN the Giro. Not collecting podium spots in a race they both already have won.
HelloDolly said:
Dumo still have a lot to learn. Froome would never say something like that. He knows that his rivals are there to WIN the Giro. Not collecting podium spots in a race they both already have won.
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I find it strange that he really thinks that Nibali and Quintana should've worked for him.
HelloDolly said:
I find it strange that he really thinks that Nibali and Quintana should've worked for him.
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Lol karma. Big words from somebody who has unsportsmanlike as #1 in his ways to win races. If anything it would be nice if Nibali would be hit by any sort of karma for once. But since the guy is the luckiest rider on the planet he will probably have it his way again.HelloDolly said:
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I find it strange that he really thinks that Nibali and Quintana should've worked for him.[/quote]
Agreed. He's not thinking straight there. It doesn't make any sense. It's up to the leader to protect his position, always.
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I find it strange that he really thinks that Nibali and Quintana should've worked for him.[/quote]
Agreed. He's not thinking straight there. It doesn't make any sense. It's up to the leader to protect his position, always.
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Haha, I already said the guy was way too arrogant, four stages ago (and I got insulted by half the Dutch fans of the forum) ! There you go.
You are absolutely right: he has not even climbed on a GT podium yet and he is acting like a seasoned peloton boss.
Rollthedice said:
Haha, I already said the guy was way too arrogant, four stages ago (and I got insulted by half the Dutch fans of the forum) ! There you go.
You are absolutely right: he has not even climbed on a GT podium yet and he is acting like a seasoned peloton boss.
Nibali very annoyed with TD.
Sarebbe contento se io e Quintana perdessimo il podio? Me ne frego di quanto possa pensare, è meglio che stia attento perché potrebbe perdere anche lui il podio... Io non sono mai stato così spavaldo, dovrebbe imparare a tenere i piedi per terra e sarebbe meglio parlasse in rosa a Milano, non certo oggi".
La tappa poteva prendere una piega diversa. Tom è sicuramente bravo e bisogna fargli complimenti, ma oggi è stato anche parecchio fortunato perché la tattica nostra e della Movistar era quella perfetta. Ha avuto la possibilità di rientrare grazie al percorso - spiega Nibali - particolarmente favorevole. La decisione mia e di Nairo di non rispondere agli attacchi di Pinot e Pozzovivo nel finale? A Dumoulin questo non deve interessare, non può pretendere che lo portiamo in carrozza fino a Milano e gli stringiamo pure le mani...
Translation
He would be happy if I and Quintana lost the podium... I don't give a damn of what he thinks. He'd better be careful, because he could loose the podium too. I've never been so cocky. He should learn to keep his feet on the ground and he'd better speak after reaching Milan in pink, certainly not today
The stage could have ended in a very different way. Tom is certainly good and we must congratulate him, but today he's also been quite lucky because our and Movistar tactic was perfect. He managed to get back thanks to the pretty favourable course. Mine and Nairo's decision not to answer Pinot and Pozzovivo's attacks? Not Dumoulin's business! He cannot ask us to escort him to Milan and shake his hands...
Sarebbe contento se io e Quintana perdessimo il podio? Me ne frego di quanto possa pensare, è meglio che stia attento perché potrebbe perdere anche lui il podio... Io non sono mai stato così spavaldo, dovrebbe imparare a tenere i piedi per terra e sarebbe meglio parlasse in rosa a Milano, non certo oggi".
La tappa poteva prendere una piega diversa. Tom è sicuramente bravo e bisogna fargli complimenti, ma oggi è stato anche parecchio fortunato perché la tattica nostra e della Movistar era quella perfetta. Ha avuto la possibilità di rientrare grazie al percorso - spiega Nibali - particolarmente favorevole. La decisione mia e di Nairo di non rispondere agli attacchi di Pinot e Pozzovivo nel finale? A Dumoulin questo non deve interessare, non può pretendere che lo portiamo in carrozza fino a Milano e gli stringiamo pure le mani...
Translation
He would be happy if I and Quintana lost the podium... I don't give a damn of what he thinks. He'd better be careful, because he could loose the podium too. I've never been so cocky. He should learn to keep his feet on the ground and he'd better speak after reaching Milan in pink, certainly not today
The stage could have ended in a very different way. Tom is certainly good and we must congratulate him, but today he's also been quite lucky because our and Movistar tactic was perfect. He managed to get back thanks to the pretty favourable course. Mine and Nairo's decision not to answer Pinot and Pozzovivo's attacks? Not Dumoulin's business! He cannot ask us to escort him to Milan and shake his hands...
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