Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 149 km

[Jancouver]

Tom D to take at least 2min out of Nairito on Tuesday. Probably close to 3min. Same for Pinot. He will also take 2min out of Quintana which should provide some excitement in the final week.

Too bad Dennis crashed out as it was obvious TJ will lose big time on the first major MTF. Time to degrade TJ to (mediocre) domestique duties.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

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Let's be realistic- if this happened to Nibali, they'd have a choice between neutralising the stage and cancelling the race. Crazy *** happens in pro cycling, but this is inexcusable and completely avoidable. Of course, the savants on here will inevitably conclude that Kelderman should've seen that bike, Sky shouldn't have been riding so close to the edge of the road, or some such nonsense.

Pro cycling is more than dangerous enough without having to worry about crashing into motorbikes that are supposed to PROTECT the riders on a *** climb of all places.

 

[shalgo]

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Did he just say Kangert is Australian????

I also thought he said that :lol:

Maybe he was thinking of kangaroos.

 

[Richeypen]

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Tough luck for Sky, and it was an unfortunate incident that I hope is not repeated.

With that said, kudos to the race organizers for not neutralizing the stage.

This is what I'm talking about. See, it was not ''unfortunate'', it was bloody disgraceful. I'm tired of this crap. Do something. Why are people not outraged and utterly pissed off by this sort of thing? It will happen again and again and again and all we'll hear and read are lamentations. To hell with this. Geting really fed up with the pro level of this sport.

Sadly I think it will take a death for anything to happen. People constantly just brush it off.

 

[Carols]

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Again Movistar shows that they are team without moral, it's okay they are leading but after the crash the push the pace even further, but okay if that is the only way that loser team can win let them.

There's another 10 contenders for GC? Movistar has to beat? Because one crashed we stop? What if it was a sprinter instead of the all important Thomas?

Movistar did nothing wrong. Sky got pilloried on here a few years ago when they carried on the pace at the Vuelta when a Movistar rider went down though.

But it was the guy in Red, the race leader. Big difference! And Sky Caused the crash, not a moto....

 

[movingtarget]

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Tom D to take at least 2min out of Nairito on Tuesday. Probably close to 3min. Same for Pinot. He will also take 2min out of Quintana which should provide some excitement in the final week.

Too bad Dennis crashed out as it was obvious TJ will lose big time on the first major MTF. Time to degrade TJ to (mediocre) domestique duties.

He would do just as bad as a domestique. He should retire. He doesn't seem to have much fight anymore.

 

[deValtos]

Yea that might finally be the end of the road for TJVG's GT ambitions.

He should peak for 1 week races and then dom for Porte or whoever when needed in GT's. He's still a good rider but time to look to a new direction I guess.

 

[Bavarianrider]

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We still dont know what Big Tom can do in the time trial now that hes Skeletom. But hes in blistering form thats for sure.

He doesn't long any different than he did in the Vuelta in 2015.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

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Again Movistar shows that they are team without moral, it's okay they are leading but after the crash the push the pace even further, but okay if that is the only way that loser team can win let them.

There's another 10 contenders for GC? Movistar has to beat? Because one crashed we stop? What if it was a sprinter instead of the all important Thomas?

Movistar did nothing wrong. Sky got pilloried on here a few years ago when they carried on the pace at the Vuelta when a Movistar rider went down though.

But it was the guy in Red, the race leader. Big difference! And Sky Caused the crash, not a moto....

Utterly disgraceful post.

 

[Arredondo]

I don't think Dumoulin will take 2 minutes on Quintana in that ITT. Certainly not 3 minutes. Don't underestimate Quintana in such a timetrail.

Tom should be happy with a gap of 1.30.

 

[DanielSong39]

I saw the footage and the motorbike was a foot into the road. Someone should tell the police to park the bike at least 3 feet off the road; then nothing would've happened.

The officer deserves a fine.

 

[movingtarget]

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We still dont know what Big Tom can do in the time trial now that hes Skeletom. But hes in blistering form thats for sure.

He doesn't long any different than he did in the Vuelta in 2015.

He looks thinner to me.

 

[StryderHells]

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Tough luck for Sky, and it was an unfortunate incident that I hope is not repeated.

With that said, kudos to the race organizers for not neutralizing the stage.

This is what I'm talking about. See, it was not ''unfortunate'', it was bloody disgraceful. I'm tired of this crap. Do something. Why are people not outraged and utterly pissed off by this sort of thing? It will happen again and again and again and all we'll hear and read are lamentations. To hell with this. Geting really fed up with the pro level of this sport.

Sadly I think it will take a death for anything to happen. People constantly just brush it off.

That's not true, we've already had Antoine Demoitié die and nothings been done

 

[Guybrush]

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Thomas has an excuse for quitting. Since he hurt his shoulder and Froome needs him in the Tour.

But Landa CAN'T quit. They need to win something in this Giro and he is still have a good chance on winning the Stelvio stage from a break or something.

if he does it, his GT career as leader is over

What, why? I mean...?

at least at Sky, the likes of Poels, Sergio Henao (Bernal?) wants their chances

 

[movingtarget]

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I saw the footage and the motorbike was a foot into the road. Someone should tell the police to park the bike at least 3 feet off the road; then nothing would've happened.

The officer deserves a fine.

Problem was that where he parked there was a drop off. It was just an awkward place to park. The fans were on the other side. He should have found a safer place further up the road.

 

[bambino]

This stage was actually a huge win for Nibali. Only 1.10 down on Quintana which is more than doable in 2 TT's. He will monster peak for last week, will be very interesting. And he will try destruction in decents.

And lastly, the voodoo magic has started to work. Only 2-3 opponents left to curse.

 

[Richeypen]

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Again Movistar shows that they are team without moral, it's okay they are leading but after the crash the push the pace even further, but okay if that is the only way that loser team can win let them.

There's another 10 contenders for GC? Movistar has to beat? Because one crashed we stop? What if it was a sprinter instead of the all important Thomas?

Movistar did nothing wrong. Sky got pilloried on here a few years ago when they carried on the pace at the Vuelta when a Movistar rider went down though.

But it was the guy in Red, the race leader. Big difference! And Sky Caused the crash, not a moto....

Rewrting history?

Valverde blamed Sky but video evidence showed that they did nothing wrong apart from upping the pace in a crosswind

 

[sir fly]

When riders make a violation, they get severely fined as we've heard during this Giro (not to mention earlier cases).
What happens when organizers violate a rule? The vehicles can stop only at the right side of the road, the way it's regulated by general traffic regulations, if I remember well.
Exclusion of the subjects involved in the incident is symbolic considering the damage done.

 

[Richeypen]

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Tough luck for Sky, and it was an unfortunate incident that I hope is not repeated.

With that said, kudos to the race organizers for not neutralizing the stage.

This is what I'm talking about. See, it was not ''unfortunate'', it was bloody disgraceful. I'm tired of this crap. Do something. Why are people not outraged and utterly pissed off by this sort of thing? It will happen again and again and again and all we'll hear and read are lamentations. To hell with this. Geting really fed up with the pro level of this sport.

Sadly I think it will take a death for anything to happen. People constantly just brush it off.

That's not true, we've already had Antoine Demoitié die and nothings been done

Too true

 

[yaco]

I learnt four things today

- A.Yates needs to ride closer to the front of the peleton as there's always a chance of it biting your bumb
- Dumoulin is in prime position to podium if not win the Giro
- Pinot is going as well as I expected
- Moviestar showed how you ride a decisive mountain stage by drilling it 60 or 70kms from the finish.

 

[DanielSong39]

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Yea that might finally be the end of the road for TJVG's GT ambitions.

He should peak for 1 week races and then dom for Porte or whoever when needed in GT's. He's still a good rider but time to look to a new direction I guess.

I guess Van Garderen just doesn't have it anymore. I'm a little surprised; he seemed to be coming to life in the Tour of Romandie and showed enough to at least contend for a top 10, maybe a top 5.

He doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a super-dom either. You at least need to be able to get into breaks, chase down attacks, and pace your leader up the mountain. He hasn't shown the ability to do these things.

Maybe he should become a 1-week stage racer while working on his time trial/domestique skills. He's actually decent at time trialling so he might be in the mix if he specializes.

 

[jmdirt]

There seems to be a lot of insinuations about TD in this thread, but his development has been relatively slow. Plus, people keep talking about him like he weighs 190 lbs, but I think he is around 155. He was always lean for a TT specialist. His power to weight ratio is very good, and he has been working to convert that into climbing. It looks like he is there but today is only one stage, lets see how he does as the stages tick off.

Good work by the big green M to make the race hard leading to the climb and setting MQ up perfectly.

Too many motos!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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We still dont know what Big Tom can do in the time trial now that hes Skeletom. But hes in blistering form thats for sure.

Again, he is the same weight as Vuelta 2015. We all know how that ITT went.

If you want to refer to the Tirreno, fine, but he did barely any ITT training in pre-season. Now he did. And he clearly has the watts, because to be at the same weight as 2015, but climb better, you have to do more watts. Absolute watts mean more on flat ITT stages. So he should be fine.

It's still a question mark ofcourse, but only a little. And it's not in the weight.

 

[Guybrush]

164 LANDA Mikel Team Sky 26:56

 

[DanielSong39]

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I saw the footage and the motorbike was a foot into the road. Someone should tell the police to park the bike at least 3 feet off the road; then nothing would've happened.

The officer deserves a fine.

Problem was that where he parked there was a drop off. It was just an awkward place to park. The fans were on the other side. He should have found a safer place further up the road.

You're probably right but there was no reason he couldn't have moved the bike four feet to the left. He even has the right to move the crowd back if that's what it takes to carry out his duty.