Giro 2018 Route Rumours

[jsem94]

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Good shoutouts, also Pozzovivo to lead Bahrain if Nibali goes for the Tour, I guess

Lmao epic username. Yeah, Nibali is expected to go to the Tour anyway.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Stage 20 looks excellent. 3 long climbs close together and an overall very long stage.

Looks likely to be 60 + kms of ITT then. Good. We will see Tom in Italy again in May.

 

[OlavEH]

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No love for Nibali in 2016? Great stage imo if you consider 2013 or 14 as such

For me it looks like a really cool route, no issues about it, especially now that we know that the Cervinia stage doesn't look like ****. Is any of the two ITT's a mountain one? Really hope so, otherwise this looks pretty good on paper anyway, prepared for some overreaction on here, and then Giro will ofc deliver as always either way.

Really cool route actually. For me that's is clearly a big exaggeration. Save for the Cervinia stage, there is none of the mountain stages that is designed for action until the last mountain. That is clearly the case for the Etna, Montevergine, Campo Imperatore, Zoncolan and Pratonevoso stages, and probably also for the Jaffrau stage. The top of Finestre 60 km from the stage finish is just too far to expect anything to happen there. I miss a couple of stages designed to encourage attack further out than the last 5 kms.

 

[barmaher]

Why would people complain about that as a last mountain stage? The capacity for people on this forum to be curmudgeonly is astounding. Three well-linked climbs, with a hard penultimate climb and no respite before a slightly easier (but still hard) MTF after 3 weeks of racing in a third mountain stage in a row.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Why would people complain about that as a last mountain stage? The capacity for people on this forum to be curmudgeonly is astounding. Three well-linked climbs, with a hard penultimate climb and no respite before a slightly easier (but still hard) MTF after 3 weeks of racing in a third mountain stage in a row.

I had to look the meaning in the dictionary. Lol.

Here people will never be happy. With any route. No matter which route they put. I think the main reason is because we have many forum members from different nationalities and different interests. Those interests will depend on their preferred cyclists.

Having said that I think that you would bet 98% of the forum approval if you put crazy hard (stupid hard) stages. They want "blood" (well you know what I mean). Something like Mortirolo, Madeleine, Stelvio combo. And make it 240+ kms. Cap that off with a 60 kms ITT by the side of the coast where you can get hard winds. Lol.

 

[rbl85]

The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

 

[Laplaz]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

I wouldn't say that's something negative.

 

[Chrispol]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

Dumoulin has absolutely no problem with double digit gradient.

Why such a legend exist in the first place ?

 

[rbl85]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

Dumoulin has absolutely no problem with double digit gradient.

Why such a legend exist in the first place ?

I don't say that Dumoulin is bad on double digit gradient but that he is better than pure climbers when the gardient is under 8%

 

[Chrispol]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

Dumoulin has absolutely no problem with double digit gradient.

Why such a legend exist in the first place ?

I don't say that Dumoulin is bad on double digit gradient but that he is better than pure climbers when the gardient is under 8%

I don't think so, he lost the Vuelta on climbs with low gradients for example. You can say that he is better on high gradient because he can ride his pace without responding to attack. This is just a example, not saying that this is true, to show that both side can find reason to explain why he is better on high or low gradient.

He made strong performance on both low and high gradient. He is a pretty complete rider.

 

[rbl85]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

Dumoulin has absolutely no problem with double digit gradient.

Why such a legend exist in the first place ?

I don't say that Dumoulin is bad on double digit gradient but that he is better than pure climbers when the gardient is under 8%

I don't think so, he lost the Vuelta on climbs with low gradients for example. You can say that he is better on high gradient because he can ride his pace without responding to attack. This is just a example, not saying that this is true, to show that both side can find reason to explain why he is better on high or low gradient.

He made strong performance on both low and high gradient. He is a pretty complete rider.

He was sick on the last stages of the Vuelta, But i agree with on the fact he is really good on short steep climbs (4-5km)

 

[Chrispol]

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The last climb of the stage 20 is not that hard, it's perfect for Dumouln but not for pure climber because the average gradient is less than 6%

Dumoulin has absolutely no problem with double digit gradient.

Why such a legend exist in the first place ?

I don't say that Dumoulin is bad on double digit gradient but that he is better than pure climbers when the gardient is under 8%

I don't think so, he lost the Vuelta on climbs with low gradients for example. You can say that he is better on high gradient because he can ride his pace without responding to attack. This is just a example, not saying that this is true, to show that both side can find reason to explain why he is better on high or low gradient.

He made strong performance on both low and high gradient. He is a pretty complete rider.

He was sick on the last stages of the Vuelta, But i agree with on the fact he is really good on short steep climbs (4-5km)

Sick, really ? He was superb the stage before he lost the Vuelta.

Sure he is really good on short steep climb, but on long too. Blockhaus this year for example.

 

[rbl85]

Yeah sick during the night before the stage 20 (i have some articles but it's in french so....).

Your exemple of the blockhaus is good and the only similarity with Oropa is the fact that it was the only climb of the stage

 

[Chrispol]

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Yeah sick during the night before the stage 20 (i have some articles but it's in french so....).

Your exemple of the blockhaus is good and the only similarity with Oropa is the fact that it was the only climb of the stage

Yes, I'm more questioned about his capacity on multi climbs stages than gradient...

You can send me the article in PM, look at my location.

 

[rbl85]

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Yeah sick during the night before the stage 20 (i have some articles but it's in french so....).

Your exemple of the blockhaus is good and the only similarity with Oropa is the fact that it was the only climb of the stage

Yes, I'm more questioned about his capacity on multi climbs stages than gradient...

You can send me the article in PM, look at my location.

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-la-vuelta-c-guiberteau-tom-dumoulin-etait-malade-52799.html

 

[veji11]

Sick is also what happens in Grand Tours historically when a rider is just exhausted. To me he was just really at the end of his energy and Astana exploited their numbers well.

 

[Kyllingen86]

I read in an article on a Danish site that the final stage (in Rome) will be an ITT.

Usually it is a reliable site (feltet) but I dont remember it mentioned even once in here.

I suppose a final ITT in Rome would mean the rumours about stage 11 or 12 would be false?

 

[Nirvana]

San Marino stage will be en ligne, probably will replace as a MTF the murito over Gualdo Tadino that is not rumored anymore.
The only big doubt left is the stage in Calabria.

 

[Kyllingen86]

I thought stage 7 would go to Praia a Mare.

So stage 10 to Gualdo Tadino City. May or May not be a medium mountain stage.

Stage 11 ? (Assisi? - San Marino) - good potential for a medium mountain stage. Fits well with the early however recently very dead rumours of Monte Catria and/or Monte Nerone.

Stage 12 (Filottrano - Imola?)

 

[Nirvana]

Latest rumors are about Roccella Jonica as start and Santa Maria del Cedro as finish but changes almost everyday so it's difficult to take something as probable.
I think this stage and the one to Gualdo Tadino could be sprinters friendly giving there aren't many other stages for them (two in Israel, one in Sicily but not as certainty because it's not flat, the one after the Trento ITT and maybe the Nerversa but is rumored to have some sterrato on the Montello near the finish).
Filottrano-Imola seems that will have the 1968 WC circuit as finish (like the stage won by Zakarin in 2015) to celebrate Adorni victory.

 

[sir fly]

Little surprised to hear, considering previous rumours, the Rome stage's going to be a time trial, although it nicely rounds up the concept of the edition. Should be interesting to see how it'll look alike. If the organizer's intention, as claimed, is to attract Froome and Dumoulin, some of Rome's seven hills, fitting length and finish square should be expected.

 

[yaco]

Will be surprising if there are 3 TT,s in the Giro which goes against the trends of recent GT s.

 

[Sciocco]

With the Jerusalem prologue being 10km or so, Trento ITT was going to be 30km or something right, and Roma ITT could be short too. It may not end up being that much TT km in the end.

Dumoulin for the Giro-Tour double.

 

[Eshnar]

Didn't have time to post lately, but there hasn't been much to mention, besides that the ITT in the second week is less and less likely. All seems to point to a road stage to S.Marino. Rome could be an ITT, but even if it is, I expect something like 2009.

1 Jerusalem ITT
2 Haifa - Tel Aviv
3 Be'er Sheva - Eilat

4 Catania-Caltagirone
5 Agrigento-Santa Ninfa(Valle del Belice)
6 Caltanissetta-Etna(Osservatorio Astrofisico)
7 Pizzo Calabro - Scalea
8 Scalea - Montevergine
9 Pesco Sannita - Campo Imperatore

10 Farindola - Gualdo Tadino
11 Assisi - S.Marino
12 Filottrano - Imola
13 Ravenna? - Nervesa della Battaglia
14 S.Vito al Tagliamento - Zoncolan
15 Tolmezzo - Sappada

16 Trento - Rovereto ITT
17 Arco - Monza
18 Milano - Prato Nevoso
19 Venaria - Monte Jafferau
20 Saluzzo - Cervinia
21 ??? - Roma (ITT?)

 

[Gerrard Slipped haha]

Could anyone give me a profile of Sappada? I see numerous ones in google graffic, but dunno which one I am supposed to look at