Giro d'Italia Giro d‘Italia 2024 Stage 15, Manerba del Garda-Livigno (Mottolino), 222 km

[Red Rick]

Even the best vingegaard won't stand a chance against todays pog

I think Col de La Loze was pretty comparable in terms of time gaps. But that was a harder day and stronger opposition

 

[Peyroteo94]

Too late, unless steinhauser or quintana fades absolutely.

This aged well

 

[Red Rick]

Excep

Except that if he wasn’t here he might have been doing solo training rides at close to the same level? It’s not like he would be sitting at the pool the whole time this Giro is happening.

I doubt it would be like today. This is probably too race specific too far from the Tour from my understanding

 

[Volderke]

You can say what you want but that does not let go of the fact that the win was huge and a piece of history.

not really history (as the moment Pog decided to start this race, it was already won), but as kingjr said, it's very nice / beautiful to watch, that we may agree on. Enough about me complaining ;-)

 

[Sciatic]

Did I blink
or did the cameras
miss Nairo's finish?

They showed it—he blessed himself crossing the line, thanking the heavens for this chance to to be in the show again.

 

[Salvarani]

not really history (as the moment Pog decided to start this race, it was already won), but as kingjr said, it's very nice / beautiful to watch, that we may agree on. Enough about me complaining ;-)

Thats a bit unfair just because has lived up to expectations.

The way he has done it so far is legendary and history.

No problem, mate.

 

[movingtarget]

I still think, and results of the recent years seem to prove it, Thomas is after Pogacar and Vingegaard in the next tier. Maybe Roglic and Evenepoel have a slight edge. But slight (last years Giro?). The next tier with Mas, Hindley, Carapaz I see weaker than Thomas tbh.

I think four grand tour wins puts Roglic over Thomas plus the Tour podiums but Thomas is definitely up there still. I would put him 4th maybe with Evenopoel and behind Roglic or maybe Evemopoel behind Thomas at least on grand tour records so far but Evenopoel has the Worlds and monument wins as well if you include all types of racing.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pogacar lost 10s on that final climb to a 38 year old Thomas.

This bodes well for Thomas, if he keeps this up on the remaining mountain stages, he'll only lose by 12:17 instead of 12:47.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I doubt it would be like today. This is probably too race specific too far from the Tour from my understanding

And he would have trained harder than most flat stages. Its definitely harder, also because of everything that comes with riding an actual race, but with rest days and flatter days, its pretty chill in this field.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

well at least the fight for white is back on. Arensman vs Tiberi

I'll ignore the "spectacle" ahead

 

[dobrien]

Next week should be one long warm-down for Pog. Early prep for the TDF. ... Who can challenge him? Vingo still mending. Remco still mending. Rog a year older.

Agree; with respect to the double this is unfolding for Pog as well as it possibly could have. Really hoping he now just shuts it down; for me another dimension is how people are viewing/going to view his Giro. He's a historical talent on the bike, so his story naturally becomes part of cycling lore. This was an amazing and dominant ride, paying big honor to the Giro and the pink jersey on the Queen stage, total fuoriclasse. The tifosi will now I imagine very much appreciate Pog saying basta, and riding like a head of state, no greedy beating up on the little guys, everyone knows he's the big stick. Big win for him today both from his glide path to the Tour and how his Giro win (barring disaster) will be received, should he wisely (in my view) take his foot off the gas now.

 

[Brullnux]

GC gaps outside of Pogacar:

Bardet
Martinez +0:03
Thomas +0:03
Rubio +0:11
O'Connor +0:11
Arensman +0:18
Hirt +0:33
GC Zana +0:48
Tiberi +1:12
Fortunato +2:37

Third week Hirt is coming; Arensman's form is massively improving; Bardet might attack himself to 5th; Tiberi held on better than I was expecting after he dropped with like 4km to go.

 

[Gratemans]

Is this legendary? 30s on granpa Quintana, minutes on great granpa Thomas and the superstar Martinez?

Like the whole year already, efforts are being exaggerated because the competition isn't there.
A good Vingegaard would have easily followed this legendary performance, so with real competition, this stage would have been a close-knit fight and not something heroic / legendary.

Exactly, that's also why I agree with Dobrien answering Another Armchair when he said "he'll pay for this in the Tour".
Lol, no he won't. He didn't have to nearly exert himself as much as he would have against a stronger field.
This was just an excellent performance, opening up possibilities to chill out a bit more the rest of the week. Still a great feat, but legendary? Nope.

 

[search]

over in the more important classifications, good old Larry Warbasse put three minutes into Narvaez, meaning Ag2R is now only a couple of seconds behind Ineos in the team rankings.

 

[zlev11]

The stage definitely had a lot more action than I expected, even if we exclude Pogacars attack. But tbh it was mostly a snarky remark with so much talk about mythical wins.

i mean without Pogacar this stage would've sucked donkey balls, there were barely any gaps between the 2nd-8th GC riders

 

[AmRacer]

I'm positive peak Jonas could've pulled off a similar stunt.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Great stage, I was a bit skeptical of the route ahead of the stage but this was another demonstration that climbs that are not super steep are actually better to do these legendary performances.

No, it was just Pogacar being so superior that saved the stage. It was designed for nothing to happen until the last 2 steep km. It's like Super-Planche des Belles Filles, add a super steep section at the end and you get everybody waiting for the end. And that's exactly what happened in the group behind Pogacar. All too close together in strength for something to happen earlier.
Mortirolo-Aprica, Finestre-Sestriere, Fedaia-Pordoi, that's the kind of combination that works. or just Foscagno-Eira, finish there. Or down in Livigno. No supersteep finish to block the race.

This was all Pogacar, nothing Vegni.

 

[yaf]

I think Col de La Loze was pretty comparable in terms of time gaps. But that was a harder day and stronger opposition

Col de la loze jonas was 2 mins faster than yates. Today pog 3 mins faster than thomas and I think G is probably the best grand tour rider outside the top 4.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

over in the more important classifications, good old Larry Warbasse put three minutes into Narvaez, meaning Ag2R is now only a couple of seconds behind Ineos in the team rankings.

Tough day for former 10th on GC, Baudin, having to let Larry Warbasse take their time in the team classification.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Col de la loze jonas was 2 mins faster than yates. Today pog 3 mins faster than thomas and I think G is probably the best grand tour rider outside the top 4.

Sure but you can see by the ITTs that G is not the G of yesteryear. He’s still pretty good, but not as good as last year in the Giro or the year before in the Tour.

 

[SHAD0W93]

@Ilmaestro99 hows your statistic coming along now?

 

[Sciatic]

I do think its a lost cause arguing with RR on this one tbh.

Also, it was just a fun comment. The key being "as a kid". Who were not annoyed at Quintana at times for being too passive??? Especially in 2015 where it was the most blatant, especially on La Touisuire/Croix-de-Fer. Shoulda won the race then and there with Alpe d' Huez left to gain time as well.

He could have used a little more of your guy’s help on that one 😂

 

[QueenStagiaire]

@Ilmaestro99 hows your statistic coming along now?

Another outlier, mean placement is probably still down there somewhere.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

Hold on a sec. Is Nibali a voyeur at the Giro. I haven't seen him, but I've seen most of the crappy racing. So far I'd give this Giro an 8, but that would increase if there was a long interview in English with the Shark.
Congratulations Pog.

1. Long interview

2. with the Shark

3. in English

You can only choose two

 

[yaf]

Sure but you can see by the ITTs that G is not the G of yesteryear. He’s still pretty good, but not as good as last year in the Giro or the year before in the Tour.

As far as i remember he was racing the whole giro last year as he does today accelerating in the last km