Giro del Trentino 2013

[Eshnar]

Again, and I'll shut up now, I don't think closing the original thread is the right solution. I think a thread should be closed when there's already another one open that deals with the same topic. At the very least though, you should merge both threads... now everything people posted in the original thread is gone.

The first 10 posts or so of the former thread were about my inability in reshaping profiles that was about half a thread. I will merge them and delete all the unnecessary stuff...

 

[theyoungest]

Nope, because he's not great on climbs that are both steep and long.

Yeah, he sucks at them. That's why he got 5th on the Zoncolan.

I struggle to find many better climbers than Wiggins on the start list.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Yeah, he sucks at them. That's why he got 5th on the Zoncolan.

Yeah, putting 15 seconds into Monfort is very impressive, indeed.

 

[Eshnar]

Yeah, he sucks at them. That's why he got 5th on the Zoncolan.

What? Who? When?

 

[Ferminal]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14980

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah, putting 15 seconds into Monfort is very impressive, indeed.

Every race has its overachievers.

The point is: Wiggins can climb, yes also on steep gradients. No it's not his specialty, but it's ridiculous to say that he won't be among the best in the Giro del f.cking Trentino, that is if he can be bothered.

What? Who? When?

Sorry I meant the Angliru.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

snipped..

I don't agree on the date of Wiggo's (second) transformation. I've always thought that he didn't improve quite that much from 2011 to 2012. Compared to 2012, his 2011 Dauphine mountain train was a complete joke. That's a huge difference. And his TT was already nearly as good as Martin's when Martin was at his absolute best (as opposed to 2012 when he wasn't).

The date of transformation was a bit loose and we agree on the not tested part.

The interesting part for me in Trentino is when (if?) the train absolves and how Wiggo responds to the situation.

 

[movingtarget]

I'm looking forward to that.

Just can't see Evans and Pelizzoti challenging Wiggins at the moment but I hope Evans can pick up and give his fans something to cheer for in one of the grand tours.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Every race has its overachievers.

The point is: Wiggins can climb, yes also on steep gradients. No it's not his specialty, but it's ridiculous to say that he won't be among the best in the Giro del f.cking Trentino, that is if he can be bothered.

Except I only ever said that this type of climb doesn't suit him, IMO, and, as a result, that I don't think he'll be up there with the *very* best (I guess I'll have to put it in bold this time) on the second MTF. (And by extension, that I don't think he'll win the race) That's all.

I realize that this is a small prep race with a relatively weak field, but there are some pretty strong climbers on the provisional startlist, so let's see.

The date of transformation was a bit loose and we agree on the not tested part.

The interesting part for me in Trentino is when (if?) the train absolves and how Wiggo responds to the situation.

Yes, indeed. He didn't look great in Catalonia when that happened. Too bad the coverage totally blew. Though from that one pic where Scarponi was pulling it seemed like Wiggo was suffering like a dog.

 

[La Furia Roja]

i think scarponi will take it

This guy knows stuff

 

[Jelantik]

Nope, because he's not great on climbs that are both steep and long.

well I don't know about that. Wiggin, Evan, Basso, Scarponi, and Nibali are all same type of diesel rider. (maybe except nibali). The only different that I would rank wiggin higher than his contenders is 'his fitness'. Up until this point, sky's method has been proven that their rider can achieve the highest fitness than anyone in the peloton. So is wiggin the better climber than the rest, no in the sense of his style. Yes, in the sense of his fitness. He will be superior compare to those 4. For Nibali, this might be a moment of truth. If he can sustain attack like he did in Oman, maybe he can do some damage in Giro. If his performance is matched by wiggin in the mountain, then we should see how the scenario will be most likely plays out come May. I know, I know, 3 weeks GT is another thing. But whether it's 3 weeks or 1 weeks, at the end of the day is about fitness and endurance anyway. IMHO.

 

[Netserk]

The first 10 posts or so of the former thread were about my inability in reshaping profiles that was about half a thread. I will merge them and delete all the unnecessary stuff...

How will I ever rack up an impressive post count, if you always delete my off topic posts?

 

[hfer07]

3 things:

1-) Wiggo & Nibbs to ride & check one another, getting closer to Il Giro=Interesting
2-) My men for Team Colombia to get a real test, facing Il Giro=Interesting
3-) really good field-not that good parcours....

 

[SafeBet]

For Nibali, this might be a moment of truth. If he can sustain attack like he did in Oman, maybe he can do some damage in Giro. If his performance is matched by wiggin in the mountain, then we should see how the scenario will be most likely plays out come May. I know, I know, 3 weeks GT is another thing. But whether it's 3 weeks or 1 weeks, at the end of the day is about fitness and endurance anyway. IMHO.

Nibali will head to Trentino after an extended period of training and his main goal for the week will be Liege. I doubt he can be a factor in this race.

 

[will10]

It's a great field but half of those favourites will soft-pedal the hardest stages. Which ones, who knows? The only one I'm sure will ride for GC is Wiggins.

 

[Pentacycle]

Nibali will head to Trentino after an extended period of training and his main goal for the week will be Liege. I doubt he can be a factor in this race.

Vino won Trentino and LBL in one week, so I hope Nibali will be encouraged by his DS to do the same.

 

[will10]

Vino won Trentino and LBL in one week, so I hope Nibali will be encouraged by his DS to do the same.

Vino then ran out of steam in the 3rd week of the Giro. Sometimes it's sensible to save some bullets.

 

[Parrulo]

Vino then ran out of steam in the 3rd week of the Giro. Sometimes it's sensible to save some bullets.

exactly, i honestly don't think it is a great idea for nibali to ride LBL when the giro is so focused on the last week.

 

[serfla]

It's a great field but half of those favourites will soft-pedal the hardest stages. Which ones, who knows? The only one I'm sure will ride for GC is Wiggins.

I'm not so sure that Wiggo will ride for the GC.
Riding for the victory would mean he's very close to the peak of his form, and he should hit it (approximately) three weeks later.
I think he'll be in the front groups, but not always in the winning one... Stepping off the gas when he sees he's on his limit (which should be risen till the Giro itt).

 

[l.Harm]

I don't see why Wiggo would ride il Giro if he doesn't ride for the win. Froome is leader in the Tour anyway.

 

[Pippo_San]

exactly, i honestly don't think it is a great idea for nibali to ride LBL when the giro is so focused on the last week.

I guess LBL 2012 still haunts him
Even then I'd say it will be hard for him this year. Lots of tough competition.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'm not so sure that Wiggo will ride for the GC.
Riding for the victory would mean he's very close to the peak of his form, and he should hit it (approximately) three weeks later. I think he'll be in the front groups, but not always in the winning one... Stepping off the gas when he sees he's on his limit (which should be risen till the Giro itt).

Yes, but conventional pro cycling logic doesn't apply to Sky. He was very close to his peak form at the Dauphine last year. That was 3 to 4 weeks before the Tour start and 4 to 5 weeks before the first decisive Tour stage.

 

[serfla]

Yes, but conventional pro cycling logic doesn't apply to Sky. He was very close to his peak form at the Dauphine last year. That was 3 to 4 weeks before the Tour start and 4 to 5 weeks before the first decisive Tour stage.

The situation this year is slightly different than last season, imo.
While last season he always was near his peak (judging by the results), this year it looks like he changed the approach. It looks more like the old school form building and peaking.
Maintaining at (almost) top form should be applied again between the Giro and the Tour.

 

[movingtarget]

I'm not so sure that Wiggo will ride for the GC.
Riding for the victory would mean he's very close to the peak of his form, and he should hit it (approximately) three weeks later.
I think he'll be in the front groups, but not always in the winning one... Stepping off the gas when he sees he's on his limit (which should be risen till the Giro itt).

If Wiggins is in a winning position he will go for it. If he loses time early in the race like at Oman he won't bother trying too hard.

 

[serfla]

If Wiggins is in a winning position he will go for it. If he loses time early in the race like at Oman he won't bother trying too hard.

Off course. That's, probably, the most accurate prediction.
But even if he isn't in a winning position, I think he'll push harder than in Oman. He needs some form indicators at the moment.