Giro del Trentino 2013

[Eshnar]

*Presentation by Jason_Mercier starting here* post #24

Tuesday April 16th, Stage 1a: Lienz - Lienz 128.5 kms

Tuesday April 16th, Stage 1b: Lienz - Lienz TTT 14.1 kms

Wednesday April 17th, Stage 2: Sillian - Vetriolo Terme 220 kms MTF

Thursday April 18th, Stage 3: Pergine Valsugana - Condino 176 kms

Friday April 19th, Stage 4: Arco - Sega Di Ala 167 kms MTF

 

[Eshnar]

Profiles are too small. Just wait a few minutes...

 

[Parrulo]

depending on how hard is the last climb of stage 3, that could be my favourite stage

the rest is typical trentino stuff but with a punchy flat stage instead of a TTT, which i like.

 

[Netserk]

Profiles are too small. Just wait a few minutes...

Or seconds

I just deleted the '?w=350' at the end of the picture URL.

 

[Netserk]

depending on how hard is the last climb of stage 3, that could be my favourite stage

the rest is typical trentino stuff but with a punchy flat stage instead of a TTT, which i like.

There is still a TTT

 

[Parrulo]

There is still a TTT

no profile so i totally missed it

meh an itt like in 2010 would be much better

 

[Netserk]

no profile so i totally missed it

meh an itt like in 2010 would be much better

I'd wish the 4 pictures limit wasn't there. At least for mods

Stage 3 doesn't seem hard enough to create anything meaningful GC-wise.

All in all a below average route for Trentino IMO.

 

[Eshnar]

Or seconds

I just deleted the '?w=350' at the end of the picture URL.

Well, I took the long way but maybe it's slightly better like this
nvm NOW are good.

 

[Netserk]

Well, I took the long way but maybe it's slightly better like this

Epic paint skills there

BTW what's up with XP?

 

[Eshnar]

Epic paint skills there

BTW what's up with XP?

I'm on my old laptop
Anyway now all is fine. Paintfail for me...

 

[Eshnar]

Passo Lavazè:

Vetriolo Terme:

Sega Di Ala: (km 3 of the profile)

 

[Descender]

Worst route in quite a few years in Trentino.

 

[jens_attacks]

great route as always and now some fresh climbs too
this will be perfect for rujanito,probably ulissi or wiggins for the overall

one can dream that di luca will race this...

 

[Eshnar]

Worst route in quite a few years in Trentino.

As far as I recall 2011 was definitely worse.

 

[Eshnar]

The profile of stage 4 is misleading. Sega Di Ala is 11 kms at 9.2%... They probly consider the start of the climb 3 kms earlier, in the town., so it results as 14 kms at 8%... but it isn't so.

 

[Eshnar]

This is the final climb of stage 3

 

[Netserk]

So 1.5km @ 9% (and some easier gradients before), 16km away from the finish.

No GC action.

 

[Eshnar]

So 1.5km @ 9% (and some easier gradients before), 16km away from the finish.

No GC action.

GC action not at all. But it could turn out to be an interesting stage if some second tier attacks.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Parcours should give us some nice mid week action. Lets hope a couple of wannabies gets left behind already on stage 1, as it Looks ideal for a Wiggins led attack. 30s is enough to open up the race a bit.

 

[Descender]

As far as I recall 2011 was definitely worse.

Nah, 2011 wasn't a good parcours but it was definitely better than this. It had an ITT and it was right at the beginning, which is a good thing and is very often not done in stage races.

And this route has no stage nearly as good as the one to Fai della Paganella that year.

 

[Eshnar]

Nah, 2011 wasn't a good parcours but it was definitely better than this. It had an ITT and it was right at the beginning, which is a good thing and is very often not done in stage races.

And this route has no stage nearly as good as the one to Fai della Paganella that year.

agreed about the ITT.
As for the road stages, that one was good but the other two were totally pointless. This year we get two hard MTFs and a proper hilly stage, which imho are a lot more interesting. In a stage race like Trentino, that after all is actually a preparation race, you don't expect puertos de paso (not sure how to write it in English, but since you're Spanish - if I'm not mistaken - you'll understand) to have real GC action, especially if the MTF itself is as hard as the previous climb. So even if that stage, out of context, is better than those of this year I reckon this year's road stages are better, overall.

 

[Descender]

agreed about the ITT.
As for the road stages, that one was good but the other two were totally pointless. This year we get two hard MTFs and a proper hilly stage, which imho are a lot more interesting. In a stage race like Trentino, that after all is actually a preparation race, you don't expect puertos de paso (not sure how to write it in English, but since you're Spanish - if I'm not mistaken - you'll understand) to have real GC action, especially if the MTF itself is as hard as the previous climb. So even if that stage, out of context, is better than those of this year I reckon this year's road stages are better, overall.

What's wrong with "mountain pass"?

I wouldn't call this year's hilly stage "proper". In fact, I think it's a rather badly designed stage.

Also, I don't see why those year's remaining stages were totally pointless while this year's stages are great.

 

[Eshnar]

What's wrong with "mountain pass"?

I wouldn't call this year's hilly stage "proper". In fact, I think it's a rather badly designed stage.

Also, I don't see why those year's remaining stages were totally pointless while this year's stages are great.

they aren't great, just good. The climbs are a lot better.

The hilly stage won't feature any gc battle but it certainly looks hard to control. It also comes in between two MTFs so it will almost certainly go to a non-gc contender. Sure provides a little more variety.

"Mountain pass" doesn't really mean the same. Fedaia is a "mountain pass" but in 2008 it wasn't a puerto de paso. The former involves the nature of the road, the latter is about the way it is used in the race.

 

[Descender]

they aren't great, just good. The climbs are a lot better.

The hilly stage won't feature any gc battle but it certainly looks hard to control. It also comes in between two MTFs so it will almost certainly go to a non-gc contender. Sure provides a little more variety.

"Mountain pass" doesn't really mean the same. Fedaia is a "mountain pass" but in 2008 it wasn't a puerto de paso. The former involves the nature of the road, the latter is about the way it is used in the race.

I know, but if you're talking about the parcours of a specific race/stage and use the term "mountain pass", I think it is fair to say the reader would understand you're referring to climbs being climbed and descended. I've never seen anybody use "mountain pass" when referring to a MTF (but you do see people using puerto to talk about MTFs, hence why it's necessary to specify de paso in Spanish).

 

[Fight.The.Power]

Profiles look ok. ? So you guys expect a lousy race?