Giro d'Italia 2011: Stage 13 Spilimbergo to Grossglockner

[Walkman]

Dontwant to turn this into a contador sentence thread but, he's racing now so that means he'd get get two years since the last date he raced iirc.

So if he get convicted he won't be able to race until june 2013?

 

[luckyboy]

It would be backdated to his TDF positive, no? If the ban started after this Giro, it would be like a 3 year suspension. (2 years + all results wiped this year)

I can see him getting a year ban + having the Tour taken away.

He's been cleared by the Spanish fed, and he hasn't tested positive in any races this year, so by that logic he should keep his results apart from the Tour 2010.

Either that or 1 year ban backdated to last August. Can't see him getting 2 years out somehow. If he is banned at all.

 

[Walkman]

It would be backdated to his TDF positive, no? If the ban started after this Giro, it would be like a 3 year suspension. (2 years + all results wiped this year)

That would be a good thing, since he ruins every race he enters.

 

[Merckx]

I can see him getting a year ban + having the Tour taken away.

He's been cleared by the Spanish fed, and he hasn't tested positive in any races this year, so by that logic he should keep his results apart from the Tour 2010.

Either that or 1 year ban backdated to last August. Can't see him getting 2 years out somehow. If he is banned at all.

Sorry, that's what I meant. He'll most likely be getting 1 year, if anything at all.

 

[spalco]

So if he get convicted he won't be able to race until june 2013?

I think nobody knows at this point, it could go either way.

 

[van nelle]

In the mean time Nibali is 3 minutes and 10 seconds back... Before the real race started

Yup, of course, because he's (Alberto) simply a lot better then everybody else. If Nibbs attacked or did something differently he would be in no better position for sure. And it's a long, hard race and things happen sometimes. If not, next best thing is to be on podium. With Alberto in race it's no shame.

 

[GoAndyGo]

Hard to tell. It could go from nothing to revocation of just 2010 TDF to revocation of 2010 TDF, 2011 Vuelta a Murcia, 2011 Volta a Catalunya and the 2011 Giro wins (yes the Giro is over baring a crash from Contador).

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

God! You never stop bashing Nibali, do you?
No one thinks there is atm someone equal Contador (neither Andy Basso or Menchov - everyone is missing something somewhere).
And still he has 1 Vuelta 3° Giro and 7° TdF... and is just 26.
Give him some merit man.

Why would I? He's not even a better climber than Arroyo this Giro for gods sake.

It says enough he stays away from the Tour this year again. If he tries next year he'll probably not finish top-5

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

What prediction? That he wouldn't win? Correct me if I'm wrong, but remembering the Vuelta and knowing how you feel about him, I'm guessing your prediction was that Nibs would be off the podium or out of the top 5 or 10. Right now, he's still looking ok for the podium. Did anyone actually think he was a match for AC?

And you're way too hard on Nibali, as usual. Nibali isn't colourless at all and makes himself visible in races all year long.

So in what races have you seen Nibali attack so far this year, please do tell.

 

[van nelle]

Why would I? He's not even a better climber than Arroyo this Giro for gods sake.

It says enough he stays away from the Tour this year again. If he tries next year he'll probably not finish top-5

To be fair he's out of Tdf this year because of Basso. And last year because of Pellizotti.

 

[jaylew]

So in what races have you seen Nibali attack so far this year, please do tell.

Quickly and off the top of my head, Milan-San Remo comes to mind.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Quickly and off the top of my head, Milan-San Remo comes to mind.

And now related to GT's, and don't name descents:

 

[Parrulo]

i couldn't watch today saw the last k on steep hill and will catch the rerun on eurosport later today.

still wow contador and wow rujano this guys are just above every1 else.

i was expecting more from nibali and michele to be very honest

Machado

Regarding Machado, I made this post sometime ago.

Not bragging or anything. Some times you're right, sometimes you're wrong. But it always strikes me as odd, when I saw people hyping him for a top 10. He had never done three weeks of racing. He had never raced in this brutal climbs. What did you want? Right now he is on his way to a top 20/30, which was and is a realistic goal.

well to be fair he lost less time today then he did on etna and finished before guys like le mevel tho he also finished after guys like nieve who did a ton of work during the stage. maybe he had a few bad days due to his falls? maybe he is getting into better shape? maybe his "fear" of riding in the peloton is slowly going away? i am pretty sure he simple doesn't has the experience and legs to compete in a GT yet and even tho i always hoped for a top 10 i also said that the people talking about a top 5 were overdoing it a lot XD.

anyway i hope he really is getting better. seeing him finish in the top 20 would be cool for his first GT. also so far he has already attacked a couple times( nothing impressive i know) so he hasn't been completely invisible.

oh well time will tell

 

[Escarabajo]

Why would I? He's not even a better climber than Arroyo this Giro for gods sake.

It says enough he stays away from the Tour this year again. If he tries next year he'll probably not finish top-5

There is one week left in this Giro, let's wait and draw better conclusions.

 

[Kwibus]

And now related to GT's, and don't name descents:

He won't, because he can't. There usually are better climbers than him so attacking would be suicide.

 

[Ryaguas]

The big boys are all at the front now. Rujano keeps attacking. I love that guy.

Rujano is a beast!!

History repeats itself Rujano is amazing!

Starting to like this little Rujano guy, if only he hadn't lost time on the flats. (unless he planned that)

But boy that was awesome Rujano proves the people wrong saying he was "just lucky" on the Etna etc. He is clearly vastly superior to Scarponi/Nibali c.s.

Thx For showing some love and respect!!! was about time!!! Ryo's work and mine has been successful

Too bad the crucial part of Contador's attack doesn't seem to have been captured on camera, would've been interesting how Rujano did that when Scarponi failed.

Contador didnt attack as He does always He just pushed the pace... Scarponi tried to follow, with Rujano in his wheel, but cracked! When Rujano saw that Michele was cracking He took over and made his way to Contador... Then you know the rest!

what was the point of Euskatel riding on the front for so long...apart from working for Contador. Are the Spaniards forming an alliance in revenge for Valverde?????

Nop... Igor was feeling good today but cooked himself trying to follow Rujano and then trying himself...

And probably some help from Androni in the next week. Those couple of meters Rujano worked could hardly have gained Alberto any time, not enough to give away a stage for.

Looks like you dont know Savio = /
Savio doesnt work for anyone but him...

Sastre over 7 minutes down. Respect for trying, but is it time to give it up?

He is totally off form... I cant blame him... He has been sick a lot this year... =(

They all looked like losers today and Scarponi should have saved himself the embarassment and not even tried to follow

At least Michele is showing some balls!
Can't say the same for Il Squalo....

The competition is really weak. Nibali, krezuiger and scarponi are just not good enough in the high mountains. Basso and schleck, the two who are at least able to compete with contador are not here. and very good climbers menchov, anton are not on top form

Now the competition is weak huh? wrong...
Contador is just in another level and they are broken mentally... at least Michele is going for it and trying... Respect to him!

The jersey for the best wheel-sucking is already his.

You have no facking idea, dont you?

 

[Gloin22]

Lofkvist is bugged by the chest infection last past week and this week. He is on anti-biotics and so not on the pace but the Giro is not over.

We will see i guess.

 

[Opalius]

It was apparently Riis who told Contador to attack. As none of the others favorites tried anything, Contador was to perform two light attacks and see if anyone reacted. And we all saw how that went...


http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE1287950/bjarne-riis-det-var-et-mestervaerk/

 

[El Pistolero]

Contador already took more time on Nibali and Scarponi than Basso did during the whole race last year

Won't win the Tour(Basso)

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ofcourse not, Basso is painfully limited as climber, just as Gesink. No acceleration, just tempo climbers. Ofcourse they can beat guys like Nibali and Basso but no way they can beat Andy or Alberto

btw

Behind the finish line, Rujano dedicated the victory to his wife and to the late Frank Vandenbroucke

 

[Greenflame]

Why would I? He's not even a better climber than Arroyo this Giro for gods sake.

It says enough he stays away from the Tour this year again. If he tries next year he'll probably not finish top-5

Let's compare him to some of his peers:

- Kreuziger: Winner of Tours of Suisse and Romandie. Twice 9th in the Tour.
- Gesink: 7th and 6th in the Vuelta, 6th in the Tour. Biggest victories in Emilia and Montreal.
- Jurgen Van Den Broeck: 7th in the Giro, 5th in the Tour.
- Nibali: Winner of the Vuelta, 3rd in the Giro, 7th in the Tour, also winner of two Giro stages.

Now out of these four 'upcoming' GC riders, who has the biggest victories?

And that while he's such an awful climber, unimpressive time trialist and overrated descender.

 

[jaylew]

And now related to GT's, and don't name descents:

If what you really meant was not attacking in the mountains in GTs makes him a "colourless" rider, you should have said that. If that's the case there are a lot of black and white riders out there.

Anyway, I completely disagree. I would say a colourless GT rider is one of those guys that rarely podiums anything and is invisible during most of the year but then turns up in the top 10 of one GT a year.

 

[Ryaguas]

Now....

WOOOOOOHOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO!!!!!!!
Thanks Alberto!!!! Thanks Rujano for that!!!!!!!
Rujano on peak!!!!! booooooyaaaaa!!!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Another perfect day for me!!!!! Hahahahahahahaahahah!!!!

I have to show respect to Michele!
The guy is offpeaking and still He tries it!
and Rujano! ufffff!!!! He attacked and attacked and attacked again and still could go with Contador the whole climb! You have to show some respect for that performance!!

I know that you maybe hate or dislike Alberto but again... You have to show some respect for the way He's riding... You asked for spectacle? He gave us spectacle... You want attacks far from the finish line? He attacks 7km from the finish line... Chapeau + kudos to him... I can't be more happy for him! He looks happy and enjoying a lot in the bike!!!

 

[Lanark]

Let's compare him to some of his peers:

- Kreuziger: Winner of Tours of Suisse and Romandie. Twice 9th in the Tour.
- Gesink: 7th and 6th in the Vuelta, 6th in the Tour. Biggest victories in Emilia and Montreal.
- Jurgen Van Den Broeck: 7th in the Giro, 5th in the Tour.
- Nibali: Winner of the Vuelta, 3rd in the Giro, 7th in the Tour, also winner of two Giro stages.

Now out of these four 'upcoming' GC riders, who has the biggest victories?

And that while he's such an awful climber, unimpressive time trialist and overrated descender.

What a strange list. VDB is almost two years older than Nibali, but Kreuziger and Gesink are 18 months younger. Scrap the last 18 months of Nibali's palmares, who has the biggest victories now?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Let's compare him to some of his peers:

- Kreuziger: Winner of Tours of Suisse and Romandie. Twice 9th in the Tour.
- Gesink: 7th and 6th in the Vuelta, 6th in the Tour. Biggest victories in Emilia and Montreal.
- Jurgen Van Den Broeck: 7th in the Giro, 5th in the Tour.
- Nibali: Winner of the Vuelta, 3rd in the Giro, 7th in the Tour, also winner of two Giro stages.

Now out of these four 'upcoming' GC riders, who has the biggest victories?

And that while he's such an awful climber, unimpressive time trialist and overrated descender.

Nibali one of Gesink peers?????

Kreuzger and Gesink are both almost 2 years younger than Nibali. Nibali is from 84 where Gesink and Kreuziger are from 86

Nibali is from T.Dekker's/Brajkovic era. He has been pro for 2 years longer than Kreuziger and Gesink
What an awfully bad comparison. I seriously am laughing out loud now.
Not to mention Gesink beat Nibali at almost EVERY head-to-head race