Giro d'Italia 2015 Stage 7: Grosseto – Fiuggi 264 kms

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Eshnar said:
red_flanders said:
Eshnar said:
When people don't have the common sense necessary to understand what the topic of a thread is, what else can I do.

They're talking about whether it's OK to attack Contador on Eurosport. I guess they don't find it off-topic. It is a 265 kilometer long stage.
true. And it is ok, for a lot of reasons. But we don't need to discuss for 100 posts about the tour 2010 specifically.

Just goes to show how unfit you are to the in the position you are in.

You dictating what we can and can't discuss during a stage is really a new low for this forum. Great job man.
 
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Walkman said:
Just goes to show how unfit you are to the in the position you are in.

You dictating what we can and can't discuss during a stage is really a new low for this forum. Great job man.
You must have not paid much attention to race threads then. It happens quite often... They have a topic, just like all threads, and you should simply stick to it. Just like all threads.

But hey, the fact that a mod keeping a thread OT can be considered as the worst ever happened in this forum means this place must be awesome. I'm sure CN appreciates your compliments.
 
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Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

Id rather have the sort of 150k stages and intense racing we've seen this week than 7 hours of that, but then the riders would complain about long transfers so there is no right answer.
 
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Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

I didn't hear the whining. In any case what other sport even has a 3 hour workday, to say nothing of the calories consumed.

You can't compare a rolling 7 hours with a job in the office. Come on. It is a privilege of course, but at least it's a damn hard one.
 
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rhubroma said:
Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

I didn't hear the whining. In any case what other sport even has a 3 hour workday, to say nothing of the calories consumed.

You can't compare a rolling 7 hours with a job in the office. Come on. It is a privilege of course, but at least it's a damn hard one.

On twitter, afterwards.

I'm not comparing about other sports. And I know cycling is hard (I practice it myself, for fun), but most of that 7 hours is not at the limit anyway. I just hate that cyclists are constantly pushing that hero narrative (with posting pictures of blood and things) then start whining they're being mistreated with a 7 hour workday.

Swifty's Cakes said:
Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

Id rather have the sort of 150k stages and intense racing we've seen this week than 7 hours of that, but then the riders would complain about long transfers so there is no right answer.

Some short stages are boring, some long stages are fun and vice versa.
 
7h workday? You don't think anything before or after the official part of the stage is work? :confused:

How many jobs have the same amount of travels days as a cyclist has?
How many office jobs requires one to keep a diet as strict as that of a cyclist?
 
After watching the end of the stage, I went out for a couple of drinks with a friend. I come back (it's now 5 hours after the end of the stage) and there are no results, no report on the site just a photo of Ulissi winning the stage. By anybody's standards this is at least the second biggest cycling race on earth. It was similar yesterday. What is going on?

p.s. via another link, I managed to get at least the top ten. Still, the full results were normally available after a couple of hours, even after a mountain stage

p.p. s. The photo is actually of Ulissi winning Down Under :confused:
 
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Netserk said:
7h workday? You don't think anything before or after the official part of the stage is work? :confused:

How many jobs have the same amount of travels days as a cyclist has?
How many office jobs requires one to keep a diet as strict as that of a cyclist?

I have to cook myself a dinner after work, or pay more and eat out. They are provided one, when they're in a race.

I will keep emphasizing that I don't think cyclists have an easy job, nor do I think they're in a unique situation - a narrative cyclists like to push.

Let's say the average cyclists has 70 race days. That's probably 120 days, including travel and what not, of demanding job requirements. The other day they pedal a bicycle or do other training for less than 8 hours a day. Is it easy? No. Is it the hardest thing ever? No.
 
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Tank Engine said:
After watching the end of the stage, I went out for a couple of drinks with a friend. I come back (it's now 5 hours after the end of the stage) and there are no results, no report on the site just a photo of Ulissi winning the stage. By anybody's standards this is at least the second biggest cycling race on earth. It was similar yesterday. What is going on?

p.s. via another link, I managed to get at least the top ten. Still, the full results were normally available after a couple of hours, even after a mountain stage

Try this one:
http://www.steephill.tv/2015/giro-d-italia/07-results.pdf
 
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Arnout said:
rhubroma said:
Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

I didn't hear the whining. In any case what other sport even has a 3 hour workday, to say nothing of the calories consumed.

You can't compare a rolling 7 hours with a job in the office. Come on. It is a privilege of course, but at least it's a damn hard one.

On twitter, afterwards.

I'm not comparing about other sports. And I know cycling is hard (I practice it myself, for fun), but most of that 7 hours is not at the limit anyway. I just hate that cyclists are constantly pushing that hero narrative (with posting pictures of blood and things) then start whining they're being mistreated with a 7 hour workday.

Swifty's Cakes said:
Arnout said:
Lol cyclists are out in force again whining over their 7 hour workday. This has to stop, and fast.

Id rather have the sort of 150k stages and intense racing we've seen this week than 7 hours of that, but then the riders would complain about long transfers so there is no right answer.

Some short stages are boring, some long stages are fun and vice versa.

Your inference placed cycling before other sports, and the job market in general.

Well there are lots of finance people that sit on the arses all day long, do nothing to contribute to the real economy, but make a killing and can claim that they've worked themselves like a dog behind their laptops. Then they can go and have a pina colada. :D

At any rate, your comments about cycling are moronic. You've practiced it have you? At what level? Because I can assure you that when you get to a certain level things get much, much tougher and not only because it becomes more difficult to do well, but since every aspect of a cyclist's life has to be in function of his sport. Then the training that's required to do well in races, is often more exhausting and difficult than the racing itself.

Especially in today's cycling the discipline that is required with regard to diet, nutrition, training, rest, etc ., means that a cyclist's work day isn't just relegated to "7 hours" on the road (although I can find no another sport that requires such a duration of continuous physical effort within, what is more, a three week event - if we wish to compare sports), but a constant battle toward perfection in one's entire lifestyle, on and off the bike.

Though again, I don't even see the "whining." To the contrary most cyclists I know at that level realize how "privileged" they are to be able to put themselves through hell, making sacrifices that normal people wouldn't dream of, all in the name of supporting better the suffering that's required.

Otherwise, you have given a well informed and conscientious analysis. :rolleyes:
 
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rhubroma said:
damian13ster said:
Mozart92 said:
damian13ster said:
Mozart92 said:
Contador is a hero. This is why cycling is a sport for true men, not like those football players that roll on the ground and cry like kids just because they got touched.

You are delusional. He was simulating worse than a football player after yesterday;s stage...
Everybody in the right mind and who went through shoulder dislocation knew how it feels, and knew that it is nothing serious. Kind of like dislocating a finger for a football player if you insist on making a comparison and I saw football players play through a multiple, dislocated fractures in their feet.

Because of people like you athletes pull crap like that yesterday's post-stage mockery. All PR

So football players are as tough as cyclists in your opinion? By the way I don't think he was simulating, considering the way he rides it can be annoying for him.

I am not generalizing. There are some cyclists tougher than some football players, and some football players tougher than some cyclists. There is bunch of football players that wouldn't cry about dislocated shoulder, that caused no further damage. The yesterday's debacle was a joke and the reaction by some people including several users here was laughable. But it doesn't matter now. Time to come back to actual racing.

Look your thesis that he was "acting" as the worst footballer is simply ridiculous. On the one hand footballers "act" to try and condition a favorable outcome from the referee, given that most contact is prohibited in the sport (thus not because they are cry babies) and, on the other, when a cyclist goes down it is always a call for concern.

All the more so when you are the race leader and need to perform optimally over a three week race. His shoulder went out during the crash and then again when he went to put on a clean jersey.

Naturally the sensation is not comforting when you have to get up and race again for the next two weeks.

The Spaniard's concern and reaction was thus completely warrented and comprehensible.

Cycling is painful enough without injuries.

It is not ridiculous at all. Some footballers 'act' to get rewarded a free kick, get opponent booked, etc. because it benefits them.
Contador acts because then people like some posters here say to paraphrase "if he loses more than 20 seconds tommorow then it means he got hurt really bad", which is a justification for his potential losses.
Another example: "Contador is a real hero, fighting through pain and if he wins this Giro he will be a legend".
You know what that does? It improves his PR, it basically means that he can lose in all of his main targets season after season, for various reasons, and still have people mad enough to say that: Contador never gets dropped if he is in good shape; best cyclist of his generation, etc. and when he wins lesser GTs against really crappy opposition, also not in top shape then he is proclaimed a hero.
Guess what all of that does: it boosts his market value, higher contracts, more money from advertisement, etc.
Now try guessing who benefits from that: Contador.

So don't try to tell me that it is ridiculous comparison because those lies and acting, blowing everything out of proportion do benefit him.
 
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damian13ster said:
You are delusional. He was simulating worse than a football player after yesterday;s stage...
Everybody in the right mind and who went through shoulder dislocation knew how it feels, and knew that it is nothing serious. Kind of like dislocating a finger for a football player if you insist on making a comparison and I saw football players play through a multiple, dislocated fractures in their feet.

Because of people like you athletes pull crap like that yesterday's post-stage mockery. All PR

So football players are as tough as cyclists in your opinion? By the way I don't think he was simulating, considering the way he rides it can be annoying for him.

I am not generalizing. There are some cyclists tougher than some football players, and some football players tougher than some cyclists. There is bunch of football players that wouldn't cry about dislocated shoulder, that caused no further damage. The yesterday's debacle was a joke and the reaction by some people including several users here was laughable. But it doesn't matter now. Time to come back to actual racing.

Look your thesis that he was "acting" as the worst footballer is simply ridiculous. On the one hand footballers "act" to try and condition a favorable outcome from the referee, given that most contact is prohibited in the sport (thus not because they are cry babies) and, on the other, when a cyclist goes down it is always a call for concern.

All the more so when you are the race leader and need to perform optimally over a three week race. His shoulder went out during the crash and then again when he went to put on a clean jersey.

Naturally the sensation is not comforting when you have to get up and race again for the next two weeks.

The Spaniard's concern and reaction was thus completely warrented and comprehensible.

Cycling is painful enough without injuries.

It is not ridiculous at all. Some footballers 'act' to get rewarded a free kick, get opponent booked, etc. because it benefits them.
Contador acts because then people like some posters here say
to paraphrase "if he loses more than 20 seconds tommorow then it means he got hurt really bad", which is a justification for his potential losses.
Another example: "Contador is a real hero, fighting through pain and if he wins this Giro he will be a legend".
You know what that does? It improves his PR, it basically means that he can lose in all of his main targets season after season, for various reasons, and still have people mad enough to say that: Contador never gets dropped if he is in good shape; best cyclist of his generation, etc. and when he wins lesser GTs against really crappy opposition, also not in top shape then he is proclaimed a hero.
Guess what all of that does: it boosts his market value, higher contracts, more money from advertisement, etc.
Now try guessing who benefits from that: Contador.

So don't try to tell me that it is ridiculous comparison because those lies and acting, blowing everything out of proportion do benefit him.

Congratulations you have just recieved the dumbest analysis of the year post. Your hysteria is appalling.

Sure, Contador was "acting" for the benefit of some people on this thread. :D All was done with a greater plan in mind "to increase his market value."

Well then, he might as well crash in every Grand Tour! Brilliant that, just f-ing brilliant! Chapeaux. :D
 
What? For the benefit of the people in this thread? Where did you get that from? He acts because it benefits him and improves others' perception of him, which I supported by paraphrasing some of the posters here to show that such PR move is in fact effective.

Was that really so hard to understand?
 
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damian13ster said:
What? For the benefit of the people in this thread? Where did you get that from? He acts because it benefits him and improves others' perception of him, which I supported by paraphrasing some of the posters here to show that such PR move is in fact effective.

Was that really so hard to understand?

You wrote:

Contador acts because then people like some posters here say to paraphrase "if he loses more than 20 seconds tommorow then it means he got hurt really bad", which is a justification for his potential losses.

If you don't mean what you say, apart from it being utterly ridiculous, then don't say it. ;)
 
This is exactly what I said; however, it doesnt mean he does that for the benefit of the posters like you suggested.
It means that because of his actions, his weak results are justified while his victories are made epic, even if they involve wheelsucking off-shape Froome in Vuelta.. It is very effective PR as is evident by some of the posts here.

I am sure that english is your second language but please don't try to pick on the wording of other poster's response if your reading comprehension is not top notch yet
 
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Just to throw in my tuppence worth - there is no 'really crappy opposition' in the pro ranks. It doesn't matter the ranking in their team they have to be consistently good, and able to do the tasks they are paid for. It might be just fetching bottles for the team, if the hammer is down and the peloton lined out that is no easy job. Sheltering a team leader from the wind or helping to bring back a break are also very difficult. Another aspect is the constant danger of the job, a bad crash can happen at any moment of a race as we have seen.
I would just love for some of the forum members, especially those that refer to 'lesser GT's' and 'really crappy opposition' to experience just a few minutes of even a tough amateur race let alone a pro one. I'm certain it would change their perspective and their understanding. No offence intended.
Anyway it's easy to talk the talk, I'm off for a spin. And looking forward to the mountain stage later.