Giro d'Italia 2015 Stage 7: Grosseto – Fiuggi 264 kms

[BigMac]

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Why such a weak break in such a nice stage?

I don't care about Sky, Astana and Contador much today, but there's a platoon of classics riders in this peloton who should be trying to make this race hard for the stage win. This stage should always be raced by the likes of Gilbert, Ulissi et cetera to try and get rid of the sprinters.

Yes, I agree.

Except if Lampre works at the front to get rid of whoever it is, the only ones that end up dropping or underperforming are themselves.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

Why such a weak break in such a nice stage?

I don't care about Sky, Astana and Contador much today, but there's a platoon of classics riders in this peloton who should be trying to make this race hard for the stage win. This stage should always be raced by the likes of Gilbert, Ulissi et cetera to try and get rid of the sprinters.

Yes, I agree.

Except if Lampre works at the front to get rid of whoever it is, the only ones that end up dropping or underperforming are themselves.

I think that Modolo could be a real threat today.

 

[Taxus4a]

Nobody is going to attack today Contador, 15 km without anybody moving at the start, respect to him for all the teams...If Saxo is getting control and they dont want the maglia, Contador must be OK, other way will be the sprinter teams.

Long day, but I think wont be so hard.

I bet for Lobato.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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It's not necessarily wrong but it is definitely dirty.

I don't think it is, it's exploiting Contador's weakness.

He got it on an unfair way, yea but that's cycling, crashes happen.

Is it unfair to attack Froome downhill? No cause that's apperently one of his weaknesses.

Maybe Froome had a trauma as kid and that's why he can't race downhill, not fair right? Does Contador care? No.

Same with the schlecks, frank had that terrible crash in swiss years ago. Did that stop Contador from attacking them in the next years downhill? No.

This. Don't see how anyone could complain if Sky/Astana do up the pace to exploit Contador. We've seen Contador's reaction when his rivals are handicapped through no fault of their own *cough* chaingate *cough*

 

[LaFlorecita]

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This. Don't see how anyone could complain if Sky/Astana do up the pace to exploit Contador. We've seen Contador's reaction when his rivals are handicapped through no fault of their own *cough* chaingate *cough*

Hah that was Andy's fault though, and Alberto had waited for Andy earlier, then the next day Andy did not wait for Contador when his brother crashed and held up the entire peloton. He had it coming.

 

[The Hitch]

But the idea that Contador was in the wrong in 2010 was invented purely by Armstrong fans who monopolized the sport at the time who were still bitter about the fact that Contador didn't let Armstrong win in 2009. It had no basis in reality.

Don't play this card. It's absolutely wrong.

Unless you have some particular problem with eye for an eye justice in cycling, or are a way bigger Andy homer than you ever let on, I don't see what your probelm with what I said was.

As far as chaingate goes Contador was perfectly in the clear to take time from Andy, in the exact same manner Andy took time from him to begin with. The only people who had a problem with that were a few Schleck fans (aka pretty much just Christian) and the Armstrong fans, especially in the media, who saw it as an excuse to canonize LA furthermore by rewinding clip after clip of Saint Lance waiting for Ullrich, and then mocking Contador as not a true champion for not doing the same with Schleck (even though the situations were massively different)

 

[ILovecycling]

well here we go, Rai site has stopped working

 

[sultanofhyd]

Are they going to finish the stage today?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Are they going to finish the stage today?

No they will all stop about 5k's from the line and have some coffee and cake.

 

[hrotha]

But the idea that Contador was in the wrong in 2010 was invented purely by Armstrong fans who monopolized the sport at the time who were still bitter about the fact that Contador didn't let Armstrong win in 2009. It had no basis in reality.

Don't play this card. It's absolutely wrong.

Unless you have some particular problem with eye for an eye justice in cycling, or are a way bigger Andy homer than you ever let on, I don't see what your probelm with what I said was.

As far as chaingate goes Contador was perfectly in the clear to take time from Andy, in the exact same manner Andy took time from him to begin with. The only people who had a problem with that were a few Schleck fans (aka pretty much just Christian) and the Armstrong fans, especially in the media, who saw it as an excuse to canonize LA furthermore by rewinding clip after clip of Saint Lance waiting for Ullrich, and then mocking Contador as not a true champion for not doing the same with Schleck (even though the situations were massively different)

Regardless of whether or not Contador was right to do what he did, the fact remains it wasn't just Armstrong fans who thought it wasn't sporting. To say so is to use the same Walshian tactics you've criticized in the past.

 

[ILovecycling]

Rai OK again, anteprima right now.

 

[johnymax]

Supposedly there is a pretty strong headwind.

 

[The Hitch]

But the idea that Contador was in the wrong in 2010 was invented purely by Armstrong fans who monopolized the sport at the time who were still bitter about the fact that Contador didn't let Armstrong win in 2009. It had no basis in reality.

Don't play this card. It's absolutely wrong.

Unless you have some particular problem with eye for an eye justice in cycling, or are a way bigger Andy homer than you ever let on, I don't see what your probelm with what I said was.

As far as chaingate goes Contador was perfectly in the clear to take time from Andy, in the exact same manner Andy took time from him to begin with. The only people who had a problem with that were a few Schleck fans (aka pretty much just Christian) and the Armstrong fans, especially in the media, who saw it as an excuse to canonize LA furthermore by rewinding clip after clip of Saint Lance waiting for Ullrich, and then mocking Contador as not a true champion for not doing the same with Schleck (even though the situations were massively different)

Regardless of whether or not Contador was right to do what he did, the fact remains it wasn't just Armstrong fans who thought it wasn't sporting. To say so is to use the same Walshian tactics you've criticized in the past.

Who else had a problem with it?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Are they going to finish the stage today?

No they will all stop about 5k's from the line and have some coffee and cake.

But not Porte

 

[hrotha]

Who else had a problem with it?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8912
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8900

 

[Taxus4a]

Well, in cycling there are non written rules. If the race is not in a rush. and someone crash, it is not polite just in that moment, to take advantage for that, you attack when you were quite all day.

In the case of Andy, Contador was quite all the climb and just attacked when Andy had a problem, but anyway is correct for Contador becouse was Andy who rush the race, and leter was his faut., Maybe is not the most elegant for a champion, but it correct. (What is not correct is to lie by saying you didnt see Andy when you pass beside him)

So Contador is not polite and now cant ask for politeness, but I am sure any team is going to increase the pace today againts Contador. (although he is not very loved in the peloton, I remember when Karpets push him and Contador hit his knee on the Tour)

Of course in the last little climb everybody will want to be at the front and dont lose time, and nobody will be worried for Contador, but other way will be a neutraliced stage... Today will be a fight for Orica (they have Gerrans and Matthews for today) , Movistar for Lobato and others teams for Gilbert, Modolo, etc... no more, Tomorrow and after tomorrow are important days for GC and if Contador is not ok, bad luck for him.

Of course if today Astana, SKY, Ettixx, Kathousa,... take the control in the last 50 km and push hard, could put time on Contador (or maybe not, he is quite well and has a strong team), but I dont want that cyling (and I am not fan of Contador)

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Average speed up untill now: 34.5 km/h

 

[Walkman]

But the idea that Contador was in the wrong in 2010 was invented purely by Armstrong fans who monopolized the sport at the time who were still bitter about the fact that Contador didn't let Armstrong win in 2009. It had no basis in reality.

Don't play this card. It's absolutely wrong.

Unless you have some particular problem with eye for an eye justice in cycling, or are a way bigger Andy homer than you ever let on, I don't see what your probelm with what I said was.

As far as chaingate goes Contador was perfectly in the clear to take time from Andy, in the exact same manner Andy took time from him to begin with. The only people who had a problem with that were a few Schleck fans (aka pretty much just Christian) and the Armstrong fans, especially in the media, who saw it as an excuse to canonize LA furthermore by rewinding clip after clip of Saint Lance waiting for Ullrich, and then mocking Contador as not a true champion for not doing the same with Schleck (even though the situations were massively different)

Regardless of whether or not Contador was right to do what he did, the fact remains it wasn't just Armstrong fans who thought it wasn't sporting. To say so is to use the same Walshian tactics you've criticized in the past.

Who else had a problem with it?

Cycling fans who don't like ***.

"Ohh, Andy had a mechanical? I…I….I didn't see anything despite turing my head 20 times or so.."

He could not even stand up for his own actions. Pathetic.

Also, you comparing Andy gaining time because he was at the front in a tricky part of the course with Contador utilizing the opportunity of a mechanical is kind of lame. It's not the same thing.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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(although he is not very loved in the peloton, I remember when Karpets push him and Contador hit his knee on the Tour)

Uhm he is actually well-liked

 

[mrhender]

So about three hours left... Maybe a bit less...

 

[scrooll07]

Go Niki Mihaylov,bulgarian pride(he is the first bulgarian to ride in Giro,and the second who ride in one of the Big 3's)

 

[Gigs_98]

@The Hitch:
At the end its not important if alberto´s move was okay, in my opinion you should wait for the race leader, or at least not attack him, but thats only my opinion (btw I´m no Armstrong fan). However you can't change the fact, that Alberto attacked no matter what happened before. So you can say that AC is a cyclist who doesn't always act polite and that he shouldn't complain when astana or sky set a high pace.

 

[The Hitch]

Who else had a problem with it?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8912
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8900

Those were in the immediate aftermath. Once it became clear that Andy had done the same thing earlier in the race and that's where his original advantage came from, only people with a blind grudge against Contador or blind fanboyism towards Schleck continued to argue that Schleck had any grievance.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Who's the BMC guy doing honour to Contador?

 

[Eshnar]

O God the chaingate again. It's 5 years later and there's a race going on. Keep it on topic.
BMC pulling btw, I guess Gilbert wanna try.