Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[OlavEH]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-reveals-mountainous-stage-13-for-2016-route/

According to this they are doing Fauniera before St. Anna di Vinadio.

The Corvara stage above looks quite good. Too bad we can't change the MTT to Siusi with a 200 km, 5+ mountain stage, and the Risoul stage with a multiple mountain stage in Aosta. That would have made the course somewhat better.

 

[Eshnar]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-reveals-mountainous-stage-13-for-2016-route/

According to this they are doing Fauniera before St. Anna di Vinadio.

Oh God who wrote that? It even reports Livigno... Looks like it's based on rumours from one month ago.
You can see it in the profile they're doing Vars Bonette Lombarde. It also fits with the 134 km length... which wouldn't be possible with the Fauniera.

edit: wait, it IS based on old rumours. It's the report of the stage 13 reveal, which was 2 weeks ago or sth.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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this might be pretty bad.

Remember what happened on May 12, 2015.

Keep calm and trust the Giro.

 

[OlavEH]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-reveals-mountainous-stage-13-for-2016-route/

According to this they are doing Fauniera before St. Anna di Vinadio.

Oh God who wrote that? It even reports Livigno... Looks like it's based on rumours from one month ago.
You can see it in the profile they're doing Vars Bonette Lombarde. It also fits with the 134 km length... which wouldn't be possible with the Fauniera.

edit: wait, it IS based on old rumours. It's the report of the stage 13 reveal, which was 2 weeks ago or sth.

Ok. Too bad. I have never seen a stage on Fauniera, and would really have liked to see this.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Here's the Corvara stage as I understood it from the profile

The other stages are quite difficult to understand, So I won't try and just wait for Monday...

So they are betting on action from Giau with a MTT afterwords some 50 kilometers out? Could turn out grim, high risk, high reward. I somewhat like it - just for the sake of anticipation which tends tends to be the best about mountain stages in some cases.

 

[PremierAndrew]

I actually want to see how Dumoulin does if he prepares properly for this Giro. Looks perfectly suited for him, but will be interesting to see how he performs when one of the big 4 is in top form

 

[Ataraxus]

I actually like the (potential) profile of Bressanone-Andalo stage with Mendola, Vervo and Fai da Paganella as consecutive climbs.

 

[Eshnar]

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I actually like the (potential) profile of Bressanone-Andalo stage with Mendola, Vervo and Fai da Paganella as consecutive climbs.

no need to think of the potential. You can see the little profiles above the wheel. And in there it looks like there's only Mendola and Fai della Paganella. No Vervo or anything else.

 

[huge]

Hoping for a 2017 Giro with a couple of stages in Sicily, including an epic mountain finish up Mount Etna. An early, big shake up for the GC. Remember Contador's solo win in 2011?

Gran Depart somewhere in the South. Puglia? Campania? Heading South and crossing the Strait before ending the first week in Sicily, just before the rest day.
The Giro would then resume in the North/Central Italy, with a more traditional parcour and the big Alpine stages.

 

[Red Rick]

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Hoping for a 2017 Giro with a couple of stages in Sicily, including an epic mountain finish up Mount Etna. An early, big shake up for the GC. Remember Contador's solo win in 2011?

Gran Depart somewhere in the South. Puglia? Campania? Heading South and crossing the Strait before ending the first week in Sicily, just before the rest day.
The Giro would then resume in the North/Central Italy, with a more traditional parcour and the big Alpine stages.

Well that's gonna be up early. When do they announce the starting town? Isn't it usually on the first rest day of the Giro or something like that?

 

[Ataraxus]

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I actually like the (potential) profile of Bressanone-Andalo stage with Mendola, Vervo and Fai da Paganella as consecutive climbs.

no need to think of the potential. You can see the little profiles above the wheel. And in there it looks like there's only Mendola and Fai della Paganella. No Vervo or anything else.

I hadn't noticed the wheel picture in the first page, my bad.
In that case the shortness of the stage and the almost 20km of false flat between the climbs ruins all the expectations to have a great stage after the second rest day.
They could at least have double climbed Fai della Paganella....

 

[May0maniac]

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Here's the Corvara stage as I understood it from the profile

The other stages are quite difficult to understand, So I won't try and just wait for Monday...

So they are betting on action from Giau with a MTT afterwords some 50 kilometers out? Could turn out grim, high risk, high reward. I somewhat like it - just for the sake of anticipation which tends tends to be the best about mountain stages in some cases.

Like I said, the MTT should feature about 750m of altitude gain, so it won't be a Monster like the monte grappa MTT, the gaps shouldn't be that big, maybe it could work.
The gaps between the favourites should be small, you could gain a lot more by attacking on stage 14, if that stage is raced hard enough the other riders should also have less energy to spend in the MTT, for a pure climber attacking on stage 14 should be the right move.

 

[malakassis]

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Here's the Corvara stage as I understood it from the profile

The other stages are quite difficult to understand, So I won't try and just wait for Monday...

this would be a very nice stage! its quasi maratona dles dolomites with campolongo only once and a long run into it.

 

[Eshnar]

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Here's the Corvara stage as I understood it from the profile

The other stages are quite difficult to understand, So I won't try and just wait for Monday...

this would be a very nice stage! its quasi maratona dles dolomites with campolongo only once and a long run into it.

yes, it's basically the same route.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

No. This Corvara stage is a disaster. With an MTT the next day only the desperate will attack on Giau, meaning we're reliant on Valparola for all moves.

And really, really, Fedaia is right there, and hasn't been used in four years. Fedaia-Pordoi-Campolongo fits together perfectly and with the final climb only being 3-4km long that way the need to attack earlier than that is stronger (although again, the stage 15 MTT will likely prevent any moves being made too early).

 

[Eshnar]

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No. This Corvara stage is a disaster. With an MTT the next day only the desperate will attack on Giau, meaning we're reliant on Valparola for all moves.

True, but otoh, the MTT will be only 11 km on a pretty normal climb, and the Corvara stage will be one out of only three high mountain stages (and the least likely to be affected by bad weather issues). I do hope the riders (and DSs) are able to realize that...

 

[malakassis]

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No. This Corvara stage is a disaster. With an MTT the next day only the desperate will attack on Giau, meaning we're reliant on Valparola for all moves.

And really, really, Fedaia is right there, and hasn't been used in four years. Fedaia-Pordoi-Campolongo fits together perfectly and with the final climb only being 3-4km long that way the need to attack earlier than that is stronger (although again, the stage 15 MTT will likely prevent any moves being made too early).

i bet you haven't even ridden marmolada in tourist condition. how many bikeraces did you ride? get yourself tougether man! you show no respekt to all those thousands guys who yearly suffer in the MDD. and you still like "its not hard enough" -get a life!

 

[Eshnar]

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i bet you haven't even ridden marmolada in tourist condition. how many bikeraces did you ride? get yourself tougether man! you show no respekt to all those thousands guys who yearly suffer in the MDD. and you still like "its not hard enough" -get a life!

Libertine just has a big Fedaia fetish, dude. He didn't say the rest is not hard enough.

 

[aarnold517]

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i bet you haven't even ridden marmolada in tourist condition. how many bikeraces did you ride? get yourself tougether man! you show no respekt to all those thousands guys who yearly suffer in the MDD. and you still like "its not hard enough" -get a life!

Libertine just has a big Fedaia fetish, dude. He didn't say the rest is not hard enough.

In Libertine's defense, who doesn't have a Fedaia fetish

Look at sottoguda, it's incredible:

 

[Gigs_98]

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No. This Corvara stage is a disaster. With an MTT the next day only the desperate will attack on Giau, meaning we're reliant on Valparola for all moves.

And really, really, Fedaia is right there, and hasn't been used in four years. Fedaia-Pordoi-Campolongo fits together perfectly and with the final climb only being 3-4km long that way the need to attack earlier than that is stronger (although again, the stage 15 MTT will likely prevent any moves being made too early).

i bet you haven't even ridden marmolada in tourist condition. how many bikeraces did you ride? get yourself tougether man! you show no respekt to all those thousands guys who yearly suffer in the MDD. and you still like "its not hard enough" -get a life!

???
I'm really not like libertine and say fedaia > everything, but your comment is nonsense. The stage they plan this year mostly depends on long range attacks because valparola isnt very difficult. Fedaia - Pordoi - Campolongo is simply better because there is no flat after the last descent, the last climb isnt so long, so an attack from the penultimate climb isnt much more likely and just generally the giau was used in 2011, 2012 and even planned for 2013. Ofc thats also a very long time considering that the giau is also a great climb, but the fedaia is also a pure legend which was so underused in the last years that it's just impossible to understand why they don't use it (probably they want to use it 2017, but IMO thats still no good excuse)

 

[Brullnux]

It's not all over for LS. My eyes may deceive me but there seems to be a small bump near the finish of the Corvara stage. Could the bump possibly be Campolngo x2? Giau + Valparola is much more likely from the profile, as the second mountain is lower than the first, but the Pordoi number 1 climb and the last (hopefully second to last) climb is about the same height. This leak has at least made the disappointment of Monday less crushing, and now we are all fearing the worst so we may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Gesink wants to target the Giro next year

 

[Eshnar]

They can still re-design the whole Giro just to surprise us, like they did for the famous Giro 1994
But I don't think so...
Brullnux, the small bumb is probably just an effect of the connection between the finish and the start of the next stage.

 

[jsem94]

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Gesink wants to target the Giro next year

He might get a podium. Lol.

 

[staubsauger]

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They can still re-design the whole Giro just to surprise us, like they did for the famous Giro 1994
But I don't think so...
Brullnux, the small bumb is probably just an effect of the connection between the finish and the start of the next stage.

Ain't it a hidden fact they basically just did that already, once it became very clear Aru would focus on the Tour in 2016 and the originally designated route probably would favor Landa too much over Nibali!? At least it pretty much seems to be like that, based on earlier rumors and information from you.

The Seiser Alm mtt ain't even the full climb if I'm correct!? It really looks like a pure entertainment gimmick, like you said. If Südtirol wanted a brutal mtt they better should've payed a huge check to force RCS to include Kronplatz, Schneiderwiesen, Würzjoch shouldn't they!?

It's still much better than anything (most) ASO designs for the Tour, ain't it!?

With the Giro it's always legitimated lamentation on a very high level, eventually.