Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[LPP68!]

Both in Arnhem and Nijmegen a spectacular finale is definitively possible. Even an uphill Finish is possible in Arnhem. Anyway, unsurprisingly I'm in favour of this opening

 

[May0maniac]

At least we han a short ITT and not another TTT to open the Giro, that's the only positive thing that I can say about those 3 stages right now.

 

[Netserk]

TTT will be the first stage in Italy then.

 

[Red Rick]

Fully expecting bunch sprints, even though I'm super excited. I think only 2 climbs are hard enough to cause some splits in Nijmegen. Either the Oude or the Nieuwe Holleweg, which are basically 2 different roads up the same hill, and I think only the latter is wide enough for a GT peloton. Both are harder than the Cauberg, thats for sure. If they go straight from that to a good finish place you can be pretty sure of Kittel not winning.

I hope they finish at or near het Keizer Karelplein

 

[Eshnar]

Big news. Very likely a MTF up the Alpe di Siusi.

Additionally, the Val Di Fassa wants a MTF on the Pordoi!
(the noise you just heard was Libertine popping a Champagne bottle)

There are also talks (apparently serious) about having a ITT on the Sellaronda in 2017

http://trentinocorrierealpi.gelocal...te-dolomiti-alpe-di-siusi-e-pordoi-1.11733415

 

[Netserk]

Big news. Very likely a MTF up the Alpe di Siusi.

Additionally, the Val Di Fassa wants a MTF on the Pordoi!
(the noise you just heard was Libertine popping a Champagne bottle)

There are also talks (apparently serious) about having a ITT on the Sellaronda in 2017

http://trentinocorrierealpi.gelocal...te-dolomiti-alpe-di-siusi-e-pordoi-1.11733415

YES!

Obvious Fedaia-Pordoi combo is inevitable _O_

 

[OlavEH]

Big news. Very likely a MTF up the Alpe di Siusi.

Additionally, the Val Di Fassa wants a MTF on the Pordoi!
(the noise you just heard was Libertine popping a Champagne bottle)

Alpe di Siusi via Castelrotto would be great. From there you won't have the flat section in the middle of the climbe like you have from Prato all'Isarco.

A MTF on Pordoi will hopefully mean a Fedaia-Pordoi combo. And several climbs before Fedaia.

 

[Gigs_98]

and at the end the pordoi stage will look like this:

 

[jens_attacks]

zakarin to murder everyone on marmolada


i called it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Which first?

If Siusi is first, something like Brixen - Würzenpass - Valparola - Giau - Fedaia (FEDAIA!) - Pordoi seems likely. Nothing but a Fedaia stage is acceptable. This would allow for Manghen-Lavazè-Siusi in the preceding stage, but I don't think they'll go that route.

 

[Eshnar]

I feel bold today, so here we go! I think I have enough info to draw the first serious sketch of the route. Only the first week is very foggy, as I don't really know where they're gonna start. I suspect somewhere in Calabria.
I guess if they'll have the Pordoi MTF, logic wants it to be on stage 15. I bet the Pordoi and Siusi stages will be quite apart from each other, despite being close neighbors, so that it's possible to throw in the eastern stages of Cividale and Sappada before heading west for good.


Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 8.1 km
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km
Rest
Stage 4 ??? - ???
Stage 5 ??? - ???
Stage 6 ??? - ???
Stage 7 ??? - Montevergine MTF
Stage 8 Avellino? - Vesuvio MTF
Stage 9 ??? - Roma
Rest
Stage 10 ??? - Foligno
Stage 11 Foligno - Follonica
Stage 12 ??? - Sestola (MTF in the vicinity)
Stage 13 ??? - Jesolo
Stage 14 Farra d'Alpago - Pian del Cansiglio ITT (~40 km)
Stage 15 Belluno? - Pordoi MTF
Rest
Stage 16 ??? - Cividale del Friuli
Stage 17 ??? - Sappada (or Sorgenti del Piave MTF)
Stage 18 Sappada - Alpe di Siusi MTF
Stage 19 Bolzano? - Livigno
Stage 20 Livigno - ???
Stage 21 ??? - Milano

 

[Miburo]

Oh wait no montervergine ITT?

 

[Eshnar]

Re:

Oh wait no montervergine ITT?

Apparently not. Latest rumours say MTF. Only one ITT in Italy, it'll be of around 40 km and mixed.

 

[Gigs_98]

1.) classic to start with such an ITT
2-3.) lame if these stages are really completely flat
7.) I don't like this climb at all
8.) my first big highlight
9.) nothing special but we will get some nice camera pics
10-11.) I have no idea how this stages will be
12.) One flat 2nd category mtf is enough
13.) jesolo again? seriously
14.) just the classical ITT, so nothing special, could be a bit longer
15.) YES, JUST YES
16.) sprint stage, I guess
17.) Here I am not sure, wouldn't sappada alone already be a mtf? if yes than please sergeant del piave, that climb has a great profile
18.) Again not my favorite climb, especially if they use the long ascent
19.) if they do it like in 2005, YES
20.) do you think there will be another mountain stage?
21.) is there any possibility of another ITT on the last stage?

btw I know this is extremely bold but if this would be the real route I would say its okay.

 

[Eshnar]

7.) nobody does
10-11.) nor do I
13.) So they say
14.) Not really classical... 15 kms flat, then a short but fairly steep climb, then other 15 false flat at the top.
16.) Medium mountain. The finish will be flat, but the climbs in the area aren't bad
17.) Sappada alone is as MTF as Aprica. Only, without Mortirolo before.
18.) If they come from Sappada it will be logical to use the northern side.
19.) They will
20.) Ofc. What else?
21.) Nope. Road stage.

 

[Gigs_98]

7.) nobody does
10-11.) nor do I
13.) So they say
14.) Not really classical... 15 kms flat, then a short but fairly steep climb, then other 15 false flat at the top.
16.) Medium mountain. The finish will be flat, but the climbs in the area aren't bad
17.) Sappada alone is as MTF as Aprica. Only, without Mortirolo before.
18.) If they come from Sappada it will be logical to use the northern side.
19.) They will
20.) Ofc. What else?
21.) Nope. Road stage.

Now that I rethink it its really kind of obvious that a stage starting in Livigno is a mountain stage. the better question would be if you have any idea what they could do. There are even only two real possibilities how to get away from Livigno (+ the northern one which is very unlikely, I think). The first one would be to drive away from Livigno over the same streets as they came, and the second one is to go westwards into Switzerland over Passo Forcola and then passing the border again near Tirano. What do you think is more likely and do you have any ideas where the stage could finish? (Forcola - Mortirolo - Gavia - Bormio 2000 incoming )

 

[Eshnar]

7.) nobody does
10-11.) nor do I
13.) So they say
14.) Not really classical... 15 kms flat, then a short but fairly steep climb, then other 15 false flat at the top.
16.) Medium mountain. The finish will be flat, but the climbs in the area aren't bad
17.) Sappada alone is as MTF as Aprica. Only, without Mortirolo before.
18.) If they come from Sappada it will be logical to use the northern side.
19.) They will
20.) Ofc. What else?
21.) Nope. Road stage.

Now that I rethink it its really kind of obvious that a stage starting in Livigno is a mountain stage. the better question would be if you have any idea what they could do. There are even only two real possibilities how to get away from Livigno (+ the northern one which is very unlikely, I think). The first one would be to drive away from Livigno over the same streets as they came, and the second one is to go westwards into Switzerland over Passo Forcola and then passing the border again near Tirano. What do you think is more likely and do you have any ideas where the stage could finish? (Forcola - Mortirolo - Gavia - Bormio 2000 incoming )

I have no rumours for stage 20. If it depended on me, I would have no doubts. Just descend the Foscagno, then climb Trivigno, Vivione and Presolana. Finish in Castione, 2004 style. It's the option that makes more sense, considering that the Mortirolo is not happening (it is rumoured for 2017, and for damn good reasons), it's not overly difficult, works excellently as a final mountain stage and takes you closer to Milan. 10/10 IGN.

 

[Gigs_98]

I didnt expect any IGN jokes here

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Don't want Stelvio, after keeping it rare and special, it's also quite likely for 2017, don't need it 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. It's not Lagos de Covadonga or Alpe d'Huez. It's more Mont Ventoux: special and rare.

Now, If they were to do the Livigno stage with Umbrailpass... that's different. However, Mendola, Tonale, Gavia, Eira, Livigno would still be pretty epic, and would make Gavia the likely Cima Coppi.

If they do the Presolana option, what is the likelihood of going all 2008 with Monte Pora to finish? Perhaps a less likely option would be Forcola, then San Marco north and Foppolo.

Not the greatest finale, but they've started to show interest in hosting cycling again recently there (Settimana Lombarda 2013, was rumoured for the Giro di Padania before it disappeared unmourned). That's the easy side of San Marco though.

 

[Eshnar]

Re:

Don't want Stelvio, after keeping it rare and special, it's also quite likely for 2017, don't need it 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. It's not Lagos de Covadonga or Alpe d'Huez. It's more Mont Ventoux: special and rare.

Now, If they were to do the Livigno stage with Umbrailpass... that's different. However, Mendola, Tonale, Gavia, Eira, Livigno would still be pretty epic, and would make Gavia the likely Cima Coppi.

If they do the Presolana option, what is the likelihood of going all 2008 with Monte Pora to finish? Perhaps a less likely option would be Forcola, then San Marco north and Foppolo.

Not the greatest finale, but they've started to show interest in hosting cycling again recently there (Settimana Lombarda 2013, was rumoured for the Giro di Padania before it disappeared unmourned). That's the easy side of San Marco though.

There was no Stelvio in 2010.
I think Monte Pora is the likeliest option if they go south at all. I prefer finishing in Castione though.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

There was no Stelvio in 2010.
I think Monte Pora is the likeliest option if they go south at all. I prefer finishing in Castione though.

Yes there was. Giro Donne.

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Re:

There was no Stelvio in 2010.
I think Monte Pora is the likeliest option if they go south at all. I prefer finishing in Castione though.

Yes there was. Giro Donne.

oh c'mon

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I remember that because of being able to point out that in July 2010 the two best climbers in the péloton fought out an intense battle on one of cycling's mythical passes to decide a GC duel. Meanwhile, Alberto Contador and Andy Schleck held hands on the Tourmalet.

I also remember being really annoyed that Abbott won.

 

[fauniera]

Re:

Stage 18 Sappada - Alpe di Siusi MTF

I would like this:

When you leave out the Giau-Falzarego loop (km 110-150) it is actually a quite reasonable route.

 

[Miburo]

Eshnar LS got you, just accept it. I also fell in his trap many times before.

Insert before LS questions me why i think it's a trap