Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[Eshnar]

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When you leave out the Giau-Falzarego loop (km 110-150) it is actually a quite reasonable route.

If by "quite reasonable" you mean "absolutely no way in hell they'll do it", yes, it is quite reasonable.
For that stage I was more thinking of going through Furcia and Passo delle Erbe.

 

[staubsauger]

7.) nobody does
10-11.) nor do I
13.) So they say
14.) Not really classical... 15 kms flat, then a short but fairly steep climb, then other 15 false flat at the top.
16.) Medium mountain. The finish will be flat, but the climbs in the area aren't bad
17.) Sappada alone is as MTF as Aprica. Only, without Mortirolo before.
18.) If they come from Sappada it will be logical to use the northern side.
19.) They will
20.) Ofc. What else?
21.) Nope. Road stage.

Now that I rethink it its really kind of obvious that a stage starting in Livigno is a mountain stage. the better question would be if you have any idea what they could do. There are even only two real possibilities how to get away from Livigno (+ the northern one which is very unlikely, I think). The first one would be to drive away from Livigno over the same streets as they came, and the second one is to go westwards into Switzerland over Passo Forcola and then passing the border again near Tirano. What do you think is more likely and do you have any ideas where the stage could finish? (Forcola - Mortirolo - Gavia - Bormio 2000 incoming )

I have no rumours for stage 20. If it depended on me, I would have no doubts. Just descend the Foscagno, then climb Trivigno, Vivione and Presolana. Finish in Castione, 2004 style. It's the option that makes more sense, considering that the Mortirolo is not happening (it is rumoured for 2017, and for damn good reasons), it's not overly difficult, works excellently as a final mountain stage and takes you closer to Milan. 10/10 IGN.

Any chance they simply move Bolzano - Livigno to stage 20 and insert Plan de Corones mtt as stage 19!?

Would be the most logical choice after Alpe di Siusi for me!

 

[Eshnar]

7.) nobody does
10-11.) nor do I
13.) So they say
14.) Not really classical... 15 kms flat, then a short but fairly steep climb, then other 15 false flat at the top.
16.) Medium mountain. The finish will be flat, but the climbs in the area aren't bad
17.) Sappada alone is as MTF as Aprica. Only, without Mortirolo before.
18.) If they come from Sappada it will be logical to use the northern side.
19.) They will
20.) Ofc. What else?
21.) Nope. Road stage.

Now that I rethink it its really kind of obvious that a stage starting in Livigno is a mountain stage. the better question would be if you have any idea what they could do. There are even only two real possibilities how to get away from Livigno (+ the northern one which is very unlikely, I think). The first one would be to drive away from Livigno over the same streets as they came, and the second one is to go westwards into Switzerland over Passo Forcola and then passing the border again near Tirano. What do you think is more likely and do you have any ideas where the stage could finish? (Forcola - Mortirolo - Gavia - Bormio 2000 incoming )

I have no rumours for stage 20. If it depended on me, I would have no doubts. Just descend the Foscagno, then climb Trivigno, Vivione and Presolana. Finish in Castione, 2004 style. It's the option that makes more sense, considering that the Mortirolo is not happening (it is rumoured for 2017, and for damn good reasons), it's not overly difficult, works excellently as a final mountain stage and takes you closer to Milan. 10/10 IGN.

Any chance they simply move Bolzano - Livigno to stage 20 and insert Plan de Corones mtt as stage 19!?

Would be the most logical choice after Alpe di Siusi for me!

Well the rumours say Livigno will host a stage start after its stage, and I really don't see them having a >200 km descending Livigno - Milano on the final day.

 

[Eshnar]

This article
http://tribunatreviso.gelocal.it/sport/2015/07/13/news/giro-d-italia-ad-asolo-e-vittorio-1.11773447
claims that the ITT will be to Asolo (likely start in Tombolo), while the next day the Dolomites stage will be Vittorio Veneto - Corvara in Badia. (Which would substitute the Pordoi finish I mentioned)

If that's the case, the ITT would be considerably flatter than I expected, and for the Dolomites route the article itself mentions a full loop of the Sella Ronda. So my prediction is Staulanza - Valparola - Campolongo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena.

NOTE: Same article mentions that the Pordoi could be Cima Coppi - that I find hard to believe.

I find also hard to believe that the Alpago TT has been dropped, as it seemed almost a done deal. Otoh, the Corvara stage is quite believable.

 

[staubsauger]

What about Luwin - Timmelsjoch, if they want to have one final carnage in Südtirol before the feast-ride to Milan?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So my prediction is Staulanza - Valparola - Campolongo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena.

Awful. Why would you do that without Fedaia. Why would you do that without Fedaia.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT WITHOUT FEDAIA?!

 

[Eshnar]

So my prediction is Staulanza - Valparola - Campolongo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena.

Awful. Why would you do that without Fedaia. Why would you do that without Fedaia.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT WITHOUT FEDAIA?!

I wouldn't do that. But if they make a full loop of the Sella Ronda, Fedaia won't be in.

 

[valentius borealis]

So my prediction is Staulanza - Valparola - Campolongo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena.

Awful. Why would you do that without Fedaia. Why would you do that without Fedaia.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT WITHOUT FEDAIA?!

I wouldn't do that. But if they make a full loop of the Sella Ronda, Fedaia won't be in.

I take it that San Boldo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena - Campolongo - Fedaia - Pordoi - Campolongo is out of the question.

 

[Eshnar]

So my prediction is Staulanza - Valparola - Campolongo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena.

Awful. Why would you do that without Fedaia. Why would you do that without Fedaia.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT WITHOUT FEDAIA?!

I wouldn't do that. But if they make a full loop of the Sella Ronda, Fedaia won't be in.

I take it that San Boldo - Pordoi - Sella - Gardena - Campolongo - Fedaia - Pordoi - Campolongo is out of the question.

Climbing the same pass both ways in the same stage is and will always be out of the question, yes.

 

[Netserk]

Climbing the same pass both ways in the same stage is and will always be out of the question, yes.

 

[Eshnar]

Climbing the same pass both ways in the same stage is and will always be out of the question, yes.

*in a serious GT

 

[Netserk]

Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Ovaro -> Zonc -> Sutrio -> Priola -> Zonc (either up to where they meet the Sutrio route or all the way up to the top)

_O_

 

[Miburo]

Eshnar, any idea if they'll ever do monte crostis? I still feel robbed.

 

[Eshnar]

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Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

 

[Eshnar]

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Eshnar, any idea if they'll ever do monte crostis? I still feel robbed.

They will, my friend. One day.
Not next year though.

 

[Netserk]

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Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

I edited my post and wrote that before you had time to reply

I know the saying that great minds think alike, but imo the only time people ever think the same, is when people don't think at all. :O

 

[Eshnar]

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Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

I edited my post and wrote that before you had time to reply

I know the saying that great minds think alike, but imo the only time people ever think the same, is when people don't think at all. :O

or when there's only one possible solution.

 

[valentius borealis]

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Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

I edited my post and wrote that before you had time to reply

I know the saying that great minds think alike, but imo the only time people ever think the same, is when people don't think at all. :O

or when there's only one possible solution.

Well I do guess that the tunnel would put the kibosh on the idea of Sutrio - Zonc - Ovaro - Crostis - Ovaro - Zonc.

 

[Matt92]

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Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

I edited my post and wrote that before you had time to reply

I know the saying that great minds think alike, but imo the only time people ever think the same, is when people don't think at all. :O

or when there's only one possible solution.

Well I do guess that the tunnel would put the kibosh on the idea of Sutrio - Zonc - Ovaro - Crostis - Ovaro - Zonc.

Why would climb Zoncolan for the first time from Sutrio instead of Priola?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Don't kill the dream of double Zonc!

Double Zonc is possible (theoretically). You can climb from Ovaro, descend to Sutrio and then climb again from Priola, finishing just before the connection with the Sutrio side. Iirc there's a parking lot there, so there's space.

I edited my post and wrote that before you had time to reply

I know the saying that great minds think alike, but imo the only time people ever think the same, is when people don't think at all. :O

or when there's only one possible solution.

Well I do guess that the tunnel would put the kibosh on the idea of Sutrio - Zonc - Ovaro - Crostis - Ovaro - Zonc.

More the insane danger of putting a descent through that throng of fans that congregates on a Zonc MTF.

 

[May0maniac]

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Eshnar, any idea if they'll ever do monte crostis? I still feel robbed.

They will, my friend. One day.
Not next year though.

They have an agreement with Friuli Venezia Giulia for the next few years and I've heard that they really want to use Crotis durning the next few years, I still hope that we'll see Crostis before 2020

 

[Gigs_98]

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Eshnar, any idea if they'll ever do monte crostis? I still feel robbed.

They will, my friend. One day.
Not next year though.

They have an agreement with Friuli Venezia Giulia for the next few years and I've heard that they really want to use Crotis durning the next few years, I still hope that we'll see Crostis before 2020

Well I expect the zoncolan to be used in the 100th giro so is there a chance the crostis will already be used in 2017?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Get them on Monte Matajûr as well ffs.

 

[Eshnar]

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Get them on Monte Matajûr as well ffs.

Half of the Matajur should feature in the stage to Cividale

 

[Eshnar]

http://ricerca.gelocal.it/trentinoc...-torna-ad-andalo-e-molveno-38.html?ref=search

Stage finish in Andalo (Trentino) and start the next day in Molveno, "in direction Lombardy". The stage before Andalo will be a "dolomitic stage in Val Gardena". 3rd week.
Alpe di Siusi is not exactly in Val Gardena, but it's there... So imo we're talking about stage 19. So what about Livigno? Well, technically it is in Lombardy, so it could very well be stage 20. But as I already said, I find hard to believe a Livigno - Milano as stage 21.
A very interesting thing is that the article states that they want to make the finish in Andalo "harder" than the no brainer option (which is a finish in town after the climb to Fai della Paganella), by either stuffing it with more climbs or using the mountain paths (unpaved) in the area (!).
This urge to make it hard makes me doubt that this stage would be raced between Siusi and Livigno... But then again stage 20 will be a mountain stage anyway, Livigno or not. We'll see.

Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 8.1 km
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km
Rest
Stage 4 ??? - ???
Stage 5 ??? - ???
Stage 6 ??? - ???
Stage 7 ??? - Montevergine MTF
Stage 8 Avellino? - Vesuvio MTF
Stage 9 ??? - Roma
Rest
Stage 10 ??? - Foligno
Stage 11 Foligno - Follonica
Stage 12 ??? - Sestola (MTF in the vicinity)
Stage 13 ??? - Jesolo
Stage 14 Farra d'Alpago - Pian del Cansiglio OR Tombolo? - Asolo ITT (~40 km)
Stage 15 Vittorio Veneto - Corvara in Badia OR Passo Pordoi MTF
Rest
Stage 16 ??? - Cividale del Friuli
Stage 17 ??? - Sappada (or Sorgenti del Piave MTF)
Stage 18 Sappada? - Alpe di Siusi MTF
Stage 19 ??? - Andalo
Stage 20 Molveno - Livigno??
Stage 21 ??? - Milano