hmm..sounds like wasted agnello. but they could do pinerolo, sampeyre-sud,agnello,risoul. nice 200k,~5000D+.
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pastronef said:
Adding Izoard or Vars with the Agnello would be a bit difficult to do.
Wonder what plans B, C and D would be in case the weather doesn't play along.
I really hope the MTF in Siusi goes ahead. It may not be the best climb and some of you guys may not like it but it's pretty hard and for me and brings back good memories as its where I'd always go on holiday for hiking and mountain biking when I was small, so it would be really good for there to be a MTF there.
If they will start in Pinerolo, then maybe go by Sestriere and Montgenèvre or just by Montgenèvre via Susa. The stage would be longer then i think.roundabout said:
The stage should propably be just Agnel, and then Risoul. I have no clue why Risoul, and why Alpes if the rumours were concetrated on the east side of Italy.
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the only way not to get over 200 km is to ride some climb before Agnello. Sampeyre NEEDS to be resurfaced on both sides. in they don´t put new tarmac, no waý the race can pass there
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Logistically this route looks like a nightmare. 6 stages between basic Udine and Bolzano and then a quick dash to France for no logical reason what so ever. It would be better if stage 13 was not there and 14-15-16 became 13-14-15 but I guess there are reasons why you have put them where they are.
Any idea what climbs will be used on stages 12-16?
Eshnar said:Only thing I can come up with is having Sestola as stage 9 (Sunday), then shuffle the second week considering Siusi and Andalo should be in the third, then removing Livigno and Vesuvio because there's no time to get there, and then hope for the best
Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 8.1 km OFF
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km OFF
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km OFF
Rest
Stage 4 Catanzaro - ??? (TTT??) ***
Stage 5 ??? - Montevergine MTF *****
Stage 6 ??? - ???
Stage 7 ??? - Foligno ***
Stage 8 Foligno - Follonica ***
Stage 9 ??? - Sestola (MTF in the vicinity) *****
Rest
Stage 10 Modena? - Jesolo **
Stage 11 ??? - Cividale del Friuli *****
Stage 12 ??? - Sappada (or Sorgenti del Piave MTF) ***
Stage 13 ??? - ???
Stage 14 Farra d'Alpago - Pian del Cansiglio OR Tombolo? - Asolo (both ITT, ~40 km) ****
Stage 15 Vittorio Veneto - Corvara in Badia ****
Rest
Stage 16 ??? - Alpe di Siusi MTF ****
Stage 17 ??? - Andalo ***
Stage 18 ??? - ???
Stage 19 ??? - ???
Stage 20 Pinerolo - Risoul MTF ***
Stage 21 Guillestre - Torino ***
Logistically this route looks like a nightmare. 6 stages between basic Udine and Bolzano and then a quick dash to France for no logical reason what so ever. It would be better if stage 13 was not there and 14-15-16 became 13-14-15 but I guess there are reasons why you have put them where they are.
Any idea what climbs will be used on stages 12-16?
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Wouldnt it make more sense if the "alpe di siusi" stage and the "Corvara in Bardia" swap places? You wrote that alpe di siusi will be in the last week but from what I read the only reason why it should be 3rd week is the article which claims that Andalo will come after a dolomite stage which finishes in Val Gardena. However, as you wrote alpe di siusi isnt really in Val Gardena, but as far as I know, Corvara in Bardia is. So why shouldn't this be the stage meant in the Andalo article
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I should definitely stop to watch all ski races because I automatically thought that the Val Gardena is on the Badia side of the Passo di Gardena (because the races in Gröden and Alta Badia are always on the same weekend)Eshnar said:Corvara is not in Val Gardena, it is in Val BadiaGigs_98 said:The reason of the order is the rumour about the full Corvara stage, which would start in Vittorio Veneto.
However, I noticed that the Corvara in Badia stage starts in Vittorio Veneto, but if the two mentioned stage would swap places there would be a rest day before Corvara di Badia so it wouldnt be a problem to make the transfer. However now that I noticed that the stage wouldnt be in val gardena too there is no reason why they should put the alpe di siusi stage into the second week. (And to be honest I think that Siusi in week 3 and Badia in week 2 is by far better)
Maybe the stage in to Siusi is the Val Gardena stage. Maybe they come up from Bulla and San Cristina which, if I remember correctly, are in Val Gardena.Eshnar said:Corvara is not in Val Gardena, it is in Val BadiaGigs_98 said:
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A local newspaper claims stage 19 will finish in Pinerolo, before starting there again towards France.
Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 8.1 km OFF
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km OFF
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km OFF
Rest
Stage 4 Catanzaro - ??? (TTT??) ***
Stage 5 ??? - Montevergine MTF *****
Stage 6 ??? - ???
Stage 7 ??? - Foligno ***
Stage 8 Foligno - Follonica ***
Stage 9 ??? - Sestola (MTF in the vicinity) *****
Rest
Stage 10 Modena? - Jesolo **
Stage 11 ??? - Cividale del Friuli *****
Stage 12 ??? - Sappada (or Sorgenti del Piave MTF) ***
Stage 13 ??? - ???
Stage 14 Farra d'Alpago - Pian del Cansiglio OR Tombolo? - Asolo (both ITT, ~40 km) ****
Stage 15 Vittorio Veneto - Corvara in Badia ****
Rest
Stage 16 ??? - Alpe di Siusi MTF ****
Stage 17 ??? - Andalo ***
Stage 18 ??? - ???
Stage 19 ??? - Pinerolo ***
Stage 20 Pinerolo - Risoul MTF ***
Stage 21 Guillestre - Torino ***
Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 8.1 km OFF
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km OFF
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km OFF
Rest
Stage 4 Catanzaro - ??? (TTT??) ***
Stage 5 ??? - Montevergine MTF *****
Stage 6 ??? - ???
Stage 7 ??? - Foligno ***
Stage 8 Foligno - Follonica ***
Stage 9 ??? - Sestola (MTF in the vicinity) *****
Rest
Stage 10 Modena? - Jesolo **
Stage 11 ??? - Cividale del Friuli *****
Stage 12 ??? - Sappada (or Sorgenti del Piave MTF) ***
Stage 13 ??? - ???
Stage 14 Farra d'Alpago - Pian del Cansiglio OR Tombolo? - Asolo (both ITT, ~40 km) ****
Stage 15 Vittorio Veneto - Corvara in Badia ****
Rest
Stage 16 ??? - Alpe di Siusi MTF ****
Stage 17 ??? - Andalo ***
Stage 18 ??? - ???
Stage 19 ??? - Pinerolo ***
Stage 20 Pinerolo - Risoul MTF ***
Stage 21 Guillestre - Torino ***
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uhm... actually the said article http://www.ecodelchisone.it/sites/default/files/edizione/pdf/2015_31.pdf says the stage to Pinerolo will be held on Thursday May 26th... and that would make it stage 18. It would be awesome if true, because it would imply Risoul not as final mountain stage, but maybe they just messed up the dates.
I think they might've messed the dates up. It says at the end 'un successivo sconfinamento in Francia, prima della probabile conclusione a Torino' (A subsequent border crossing into France, before the likely finish in Torino). This implies that the France stage is right before the Torino finish. However they seem pretty confident about it, so maybe there is a stage between Risoul and Torino.Eshnar said:
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that in itself doesn't mean much, since they can perfectly mean "the stage in France will be before a likely finish in Turin... but not right before". Only the French article has been explicit in that sense, but it's possible that the situation has now changed again and RCS came to their senses and want to have a stage 20 in Italy. As I always say, let's all remember we're not trying to uncover a secret, but just to figure out something while it's still being planned.Brullnux said:
I'm fairly sure that until 2 weeks ago RCS was planning to have the third week in the east. But then Risoul made a big bid and Turin played along, so they simply changed plan. But then again they realized that a big finish in Risoul would not exactly set the crowd on fire, so they should put something in between.
In the meantime, if this is true I'm starting to think one between Corvara and Siusi will drop. Maybe they'll just have a finish halfway
Like, you know, in Val Gardena I think Corvara will drop, because I will not be surprised if they get stage in the 100th edition. You once mentioned a Sellaronda ITTEshnar said:that in itself doesn't mean much, since they can perfectly mean "the stage in France will be before a likely finish in Turin... but not right before". Only the French article has been explicit in that sense, but it's possible that the situation has now changed again and RCS came to their senses and want to have a stage 20 in Italy. As I always say, let's all remember we're not trying to uncover a secret, but just to figure out something while it's still being planned.Brullnux said:
I'm fairly sure that until 2 weeks ago RCS was planning to have the third week in the east. But then Risoul made a big bid and Turin played along, so they simply changed plan. But then again they realized that a big finish in Risoul would not exactly set the crowd on fire, so they should put something in between.
In the meantime, if this is true I'm starting to think one between Corvara and Siusi will drop. Maybe they'll just have a finish halfway
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Well I'll be totally shocked if they actually make a full Sellaronda ITT in 2017, but yes, there was some talk about it.Brullnux said:I think Corvara will drop, because I will not be surprised if they get stage in the 100th edition. You once mentioned a Sellaronda ITTEshnar said:that in itself doesn't mean much, since they can perfectly mean "the stage in France will be before a likely finish in Turin... but not right before". Only the French article has been explicit in that sense, but it's possible that the situation has now changed again and RCS came to their senses and want to have a stage 20 in Italy. As I always say, let's all remember we're not trying to uncover a secret, but just to figure out something while it's still being planned.Brullnux said:
I'm fairly sure that until 2 weeks ago RCS was planning to have the third week in the east. But then Risoul made a big bid and Turin played along, so they simply changed plan. But then again they realized that a big finish in Risoul would not exactly set the crowd on fire, so they should put something in between.
In the meantime, if this is true I'm starting to think one between Corvara and Siusi will drop. Maybe they'll just have a finish halfway
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The main reason why I pray that risoul comes on stage 19 is that it would very likely mean sampeyre or/and fauniera on the last mountain stage. Btw is it possible that risoul is really the last mountain stage and that they just make an ITT on the last stage, or something like that. That would at least explain the date of pinerolo, and risoul would still be the last mountain stage.
Is it maybe also possible that there is a stage between the pinerolo and the risoul finish? I know that seems strange because the risoul stage should start in pinerolo but some time ago you also had two mountain top finishes on the alpe di siusi and the pordoi, with almost one week between although they are extremely near to each other.
Oh and the reason why I asked if pinerolo is a mountain stage was mainly because I hope it isnt. Such a stage before a mtf is a complete waste.
Is it maybe also possible that there is a stage between the pinerolo and the risoul finish? I know that seems strange because the risoul stage should start in pinerolo but some time ago you also had two mountain top finishes on the alpe di siusi and the pordoi, with almost one week between although they are extremely near to each other.
Oh and the reason why I asked if pinerolo is a mountain stage was mainly because I hope it isnt. Such a stage before a mtf is a complete waste.
No offence, byt You are really nutsGigs_98 said:
. Sooner i'll become a pope than i will see Sampeyre and Fauniera in Giro. I think it will be just Agnello and then Risoul. Of course i would prefer FSA combo with a finish in lets say Aiguilles as a last stage before Turin, but that's just a dream. The same dream like Granon. It's like those bastards agreed to pull a lightning out of a clear sky once in a century just to leave it as long as generations forget about them to strike back. Sadly, i think the time when they strike back must be count in centuries, not years.EDIT:
Kudos to Libertine for pointing out my blindness. You posted about Risoul being on stage 19, not 20 but still including Sampeyre and/or Fauniera in the Giro would be nuts. Libertine pointed out Prato Nevoso, seems quite logical given that the climbs won't be on an extreme altitudes (Vars being the hightest). I would risk that maybe they will pull up Madonna del Colletto with finish in Borgo San Dalmazzo. I see that RAI would then propably play the '99 Giro stage 14 all day wherever they only can... Nope, the variant with Borgo San Dalmazzo is too short.
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They were meaning it would be Agnello-Risoul on stage 19, and then stage 20 would be another mountain stage that would hopefully include the duo, as altitude-wise going over Bonette and Lombarde to get back into Italy would seem a risky call given recent history of stage cancellations. And for including these climbs in general... we just remember Angelo Zomegnan sometimes and forget he was deposed.dpm1991 said:No offence, byt You are really nutsGigs_98 said:
If Pinerolo is 18 and Risoul is 19, it opens up some key questions as to what stage 20 will be. The only logical ways back into Italy from Guillestre would be back over Agnello, Montgenèvre or l'Échelle (and the latter would seem pointless given Montgenèvre). If Pinerolo is hosting stage 18 it seems unlikely as a stage finish for stage 20 as well, which rules out one of the more predictable possibilities (Izoard-Montgenèvre-Sestrières-Pramartino-Pinerolo). An MTF at Jafferau would be a ludicrously short stage, while other Italian MTF options around there all have their issues. Sestrières would be pretty weak (and a short stage unless they did Finestre, which they really shouldn't), Rucas is very unlikely; Pian del Ré doesn't give too much more than a one climb stage in terms of distance raced, and would either give a long stage retracing steps over and past Pinerolo or climbing Agnello from the opposite side the next day.
Oh, I guess Maddalena is a possibility. Vars - Larche into Italy would work, could then do Sant'Anna di Vinadio, or continue on for Madonna del Colletto and do something like an MTF at Colle di Tenda like 2005, or Prato Nevoso like the 2008 Tour.
Obviously in a perfect world populated only by the cheese dreams of Angelo Zomegnan we get Vars-Larche-Fauniera-Sampeyre and then a finish at Santuario di Valmala. But that's only ever going to happen in the Race Design Thread, I'd venture to say.
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I don't know that many of the climbs, but doing my best to learn fast.
It helps being from Northern Italy, or just Italy in general. Just ask me or EshnarValv.Piti said:How are you guys so knowledgeable on a topic like this... I dont even know 50% of the cities and climbs you are throwing out there.
All I know is that I wanna see Granon and Chat in the Tour, then I'll rest happily ever after.
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