Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Gigs_98]

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Lol, that could actually work quite well, Red Rick.

I don't know. Gavia from that side is anything but a monster and the 2nd half of the descent is basically false flat. If someone really really needs time it will work, but pretty much at any point except stage 20 I'd have my doubts.
I prefer Gavia-Stelvio-Sulden. That said I'd be happy about Red Ricks version too just because I have never seen the giro climbing the north side of the stelvio.

 

[Nirvana]

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https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

 

[Red Rick]

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https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

Can we ban Vegni because he's a tool and we want Zomegnan back?

 

[OlavEH]

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https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

But Fauniera haven't been used for 15 years, long before Vegni. Is that mainly due to poor road condition?

 

[Eshnar]

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https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

Gavia south maybe... the descent of Gavia North has been ridden with Vegni in charge in 2014. Recently Gavia has been out of the question due to a landslide (or just landslide risk, don't remember). Not sure what the situation is currently.

But Fauniera haven't been used for 15 years, long before Vegni. Is that mainly due to poor road condition?

Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.

 

[OlavEH]

If one combines the rumours about finish in Verona, stage 20 at Tre Cime, stage finish in Como and stages in Piemonte, isn't it probable that, if they are going to use Mortirolo/Gavia/Stelvio, they will approach from the west? Example a Bergamo-Aprica via San Marco/Vivione and Mortirolo. Or Sondrio-Aprica via Bernina, Foscagno, Eira and Mortirolo?

 

[OlavEH]

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Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.

Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

Edit: Btw, a replay of the 2003 stage with Fauniera/Esischie - Sampeyre - Chianale would be one of my top wishes for a GT stage.

 

[Red Rick]

So the main rumors now are for a start abroad and entering Italy in the north west or the north east in the first week.

Then I hear queen stage rumors also in the north

When they going south?

 

[May0maniac]

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Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.

Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

Edit: Btw, a replay of the 2003 stage with Fauniera/Esischie - Sampeyre - Chianale would be one of my top wishes for a GT stage.

With one of the Sampeyre ascents from that side you also have a ton of problems because of landslides amd in the end there's just a lack of towns and ski stations whod be willing to pay for a finish in that area.

The Livigno stage in 2005 looked like this:

The first climb of the day was this one:

5,070m of altitude gain and a great finish. Basso cracked on that stage and lost over 42min.

 

[roundabout]

A Fauniera stage finish doesn't have to be in the immediate area

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8r0Kn1gB18Q/UO0PHAYafSI/AAAAAAAACLM/H6vag87_De0/s1600/6.jpg

Cuneo is about 10km further on, I think.

 

[Nirvana]

Sampeyre is another of the "dangerous" descents that we won't see with Vegni, and if I recall correctly I've read on the Italian forum that there are also road problems.

Anyway, I'm fully for a #BringBackZomegnan

 

[OlavEH]

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Sampeyre is another of the "dangerous" descents that we won't see with Vegni, and if I recall correctly I've read on the Italian forum that there are also road problems.

Anyway, I'm fully for a #BringBackZomegnan

So another Fauniera-Sampeyre stage seems pretty unlikely......

Still, there are enough good climbs in Italy. If Vegni just stopping doing these "Unipublic stages", that would be an improvement.

 

[Laplaz]

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Sampeyre is another of the "dangerous" descents that we won't see with Vegni, and if I recall correctly I've read on the Italian forum that there are also road problems.

Anyway, I'm fully for a #BringBackZomegnan

So another Fauniera-Sampeyre stage seems pretty unlikely......

Still, there are enough good climbs in Italy. If Vegni just stopping doing these "Unipublic stages", that would be an improvement.

Indeed. Passo Pennes, Passo di Monte Giovo, Alpe di Rodengo and Passo delle Erbe in South Tyrol and Bondone, Passo Santa Barbara and Passo Coe in Trentino would be great to see in the next years.

 

[Eshnar]

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Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

It can be part of the deal, if they are particularly interested. But in that case, they obviously have to pay for the necessary roadworks. As someone said, there aren't wealthy ski stations in the area and all the big towns seem content with letting the race pass through elsewhere. Of course the fact that Vegni thinks the descent is too dangerous is another (more recent) issue, but I'm sure he would not turn down an offer just because of it, if the money was right...

 

[May0maniac]

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Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

It can be part of the deal, if they are particularly interested. But in that case, they obviously have to pay for the necessary roadworks. As someone said, there aren't wealthy ski stations in the area and all the big towns seem content with letting the race pass through elsewhere. Of course the fact that Vegni thinks the descent is too dangerous is another (more recent) issue, but I'm sure he would not turn down an offer just because of it, if the money was right...

The thing is that the Passo Daone descent that they used in 2015 on the Madonna di Campiglio stage is probably more dangerous than both the Fauniera and the Sampeyre descent.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

 

[May0maniac]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Yes, we also haven't seen Tre Cime since 2013 (and only 2 times since 1989!), but I totally understand why you want to have Fedaia once again.

 

[Nirvana]

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Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

It can be part of the deal, if they are particularly interested. But in that case, they obviously have to pay for the necessary roadworks. As someone said, there aren't wealthy ski stations in the area and all the big towns seem content with letting the race pass through elsewhere. Of course the fact that Vegni thinks the descent is too dangerous is another (more recent) issue, but I'm sure he would not turn down an offer just because of it, if the money was right...

I think that his fixation with riders security will win even against his "I'll design the Giro looking at who put more money" logic, just look at the ridiculous moto with red flag and whistle put in front of the group even when they go through a small town with narrow streets because he thinks that they should be cautious.

 

[Red Rick]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Yes, we also haven't seen Tre Cime since 2013 (and only 2 times since 1989!), but I totally understand why you want to have Fedaia once again.

Fedaia is the craziest cause they passed by there in 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2017.

Anyway, for some reason people always want their roller coaster stage there, but if I'd be pretty happy with just Valparola+Giau+Fedaia or something.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Maybe they want to make Fedaia this rare mythical beast

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Maybe they want to make Fedaia this rare mythical beast

Yeah, you can't have it both ways, Libertine.

 

[Netserk]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Yes, we also haven't seen Tre Cime since 2013 (and only 2 times since 1989!), but I totally understand why you want to have Fedaia once again.

Fedaia is the craziest cause they passed by there in 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2017.

Anyway, for some reason people always want their roller coaster stage there, but if I'd be pretty happy with just Valparola+Giau+Fedaia or something.

Especially last year was so stupid. Instead of a beauty with Fedaia (45km to go) and Sella (21km to go) as the last climbs, they chose to have a dolomite stage with only soft climbs that were badly linked. Ugh.

 

[May0maniac]

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Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Yes, we also haven't seen Tre Cime since 2013 (and only 2 times since 1989!), but I totally understand why you want to have Fedaia once again.

Fedaia is the craziest cause they passed by there in 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2017.

Anyway, for some reason people always want their roller coaster stage there, but if I'd be pretty happy with just Valparola+Giau+Fedaia or something.

Especially last year was so stupid. Instead of a beauty with Fedaia (45km to go) and Sella (21km to go) as the last climbs, they chose to have a dolomite stage with only soft climbs that were badly linked. Ugh.

Yeah, that was really bad.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Stelvio used to be this rare, mythical beast, now its legacy is becoming watered down by repetition, like Mont Ventoux. It's still always going to be an iconic summit, but it's starting to lose that additional X factor that raised it above the likes of Lagos de Covadonga and Alpe d'Huez because of its rarity. Now we'll have had it in 2012, 2014, 2017 and 2019, with 2013 attempted too, and the women there in 2010 also. Should finish on Bormio 2000 or Torre di Fraele or something if they aren't doing the Livigno finish from 2005.

Now, we haven't seen the Fedaia since 2011, just saying.

Maybe they want to make Fedaia this rare mythical beast

Yeah, you can't have it both ways, Libertine.

Well, there are some climbs you can't overuse.

I just want a Fedaia MTT. Is that so much to ask?

 

[Kyllingen86]

Re: Giro 2019 Route Rumours

I am very excited about this rumor-thread and the rumors as well

Eastern Alps:
A stage to Tre Cime would be scenic and beautiful.
Concerning the fact that Lienz want a stage-finish I have one question. Is it poosible to finish with a descent from Grossglockner?

"Middle Alps":
To hear that both Stelvio and Mortirolo could be in is amazing. I prefer them spread out on two different stages though.

Western Alps:
Fraiteve (Col Basset) - Yes!
Oropa? Lets just say that I wouldn't mind if Oropa became a rare "mythical" uphill sprint.

Appennines:
L'Aquila - If it is anything like in 2010 it certainly won't be selective. Looking forward to other news concerning this region.