Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Red Rick]

Seriously if you make Pinerolo such a train wreck you might as well commit and finish all the way on the top of Colle Nivolet, cause that climb desperately needs that bit to be good.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Overall I think its a pretty decent route. Ponte di Legno is the hardest stage since...?

 

[Eshnar]

Re:

Seriously if you make Pinerolo such a train wreck you might as well commit and finish all the way on the top of Colle Nivolet, cause that climb desperately needs that bit to be good.

They don't want to finish all the way to the top because there is no way to get down until everybody has arrived. Logistically it's a nightmare.

 

[Eshnar]

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Overall I think its a pretty decent route. Ponte di Legno is the hardest stage since...?

2012 probably.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Seriously if you make Pinerolo such a train wreck you might as well commit and finish all the way on the top of Colle Nivolet, cause that climb desperately needs that bit to be good.

They don't want to finish all the way to the top because there is no way to get down until everybody has arrived. Logistically it's a nightmare.

If everything is an excuse to make routes lame nowadays, then I'm all for disregarding every excuse.

Stage 19 just makes me die inside.

 

[barmaher]

I really don't like the first week, but the negativity on here about EVERY FREAKING GT ROUTE is really starting to bother me. Sure, stage 19 is not ideal, but in the context of the last 10 stages, and in the context of recent GT routes, let's settle down a little bit.

 

[Rollthedice]

Stage 16

 

[Rollthedice]

Stage 17

 

[Red Rick]

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Stage 16

That's 2017 mate.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

I really don't like the first week, but the negativity on here about EVERY FREAKING GT ROUTE is really starting to bother me. Sure, stage 19 is not ideal, but in the context of the last 10 stages, and in the context of recent GT routes, let's settle down a little bit.

Agree, we have 2 extremely well designed and hard mountain stages, one pretty short, the other one a monster length of 226 km and 5700 elevation. Also 3 hilly time trials are bit overkill, I also kinda like that different aspect of the race.

Some other aspects are pretty meh, I think they could have done better with Cuneo-Pinerolo and Anterelva. But there always those kinds of minor letdowns. Lets focus on the positives, Nivolet is also a pretty nice and tough stage, same with the stage to Aune which could be a bloodbath.

 

[yaco]

Of course the devil is in the detail but I much prefer the route in the TDF - Will add that the pink jersey could change on the last stage.

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

I really don't like the first week, but the negativity on here about EVERY FREAKING GT ROUTE is really starting to bother me. Sure, stage 19 is not ideal, but in the context of the last 10 stages, and in the context of recent GT routes, let's settle down a little bit.

I'll just start giving people a pass when everyone is doing a shitty job.

Seriously small differences can make the difference between a terrible route and a great route, and it should be super obvious why, so excuse me if I'm disappointed when it goes wrong in 80% of GT routes.

 

[barmaher]

Re:

Stage 16

That's not Stage 16 this year.

 

[Rollthedice]

Stage 19

Stage 20

 

[barmaher]

Re: Re:

I really don't like the first week, but the negativity on here about EVERY FREAKING GT ROUTE is really starting to bother me. Sure, stage 19 is not ideal, but in the context of the last 10 stages, and in the context of recent GT routes, let's settle down a little bit.

I'll just start giving people a pass when everyone is doing a ****** job.

People aren't waiting on a pass from you.

There is a lot more nuance to these GT routes than your comments would have us believe.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Stage 16

That's 2017 mate.

S*** happens. Sorry.

 

[barmaher]

Re: Re:

I really don't like the first week, but the negativity on here about EVERY FREAKING GT ROUTE is really starting to bother me. Sure, stage 19 is not ideal, but in the context of the last 10 stages, and in the context of recent GT routes, let's settle down a little bit.

Agree, we have 2 extremely well designed and hard mountain stages, one pretty short, the other one a monster length of 226 km and 5700 elevation. Also 3 hilly time trials are bit overkill, I also kinda like that different aspect of the race.

Some other aspects are pretty meh, I think they could have done better with Cuneo-Pinerolo and Anterelva. But there always those kinds of minor letdowns. Lets focus on the positives, Nivolet is also a pretty nice and tough stage, same with the stage to Aune which could be a bloodbath.

Yeah, it could be a bloodbath, but I really think we're hanging on Manghen to be used as an attack. If an attack doesn't stick there, it will likely be a fairly dull climbing finale.

I love the Lombardia stage.

 

[Red Rick]

The entire 3rd week hangs on Passo Manghen to be a viable place to attack and I'm really, really unsure if it's possible.

 

[Sestriere]

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The entire 3rd week hangs on Passo Manghen to be a viable place to attack and I'm really, really unsure if it's possible.

Your pessimism reaches new levels if you really think there won't be attacks on Mortirolo.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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The entire 3rd week hangs on Passo Manghen to be a viable place to attack and I'm really, really unsure if it's possible.

Your pessimism reaches new levels if you really think there won't be attacks on Mortirolo.

Dont think that's what he meant tho.

 

[Sestriere]

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The entire 3rd week hangs on Passo Manghen to be a viable place to attack and I'm really, really unsure if it's possible.

Your pessimism reaches new levels if you really think there won't be attacks on Mortirolo.

Dont think that's what he meant tho.

Mortirolo is in week three and I think it will be a great stage. I think this is adressing Red Rick's "concern" that the 3rd week might be bad unless someone attacks on Manghen. If this isn't the point feel free to help me out.

 

[sir fly]

At the first glance it looks like a slight change from the previous editions. The mountain stages don't look like the race can be decided on each of them... a couple of "deciders" and the rest for attrition. The stage to Courmayeur I like the most for several reasons. The mid-race time trial looks good and highlights that block of racing, since nothing too difficult is preceding or succeeding it.
RCS did their part, now the riders should turn the route into exciting racing. I'm more optimistic in that regard than in relation to the Tour, since the nature of the Giro is more extrovert.

 

[Laplaz]

Bar Anterselva, San Martino and Pinerolo a great route! Ponte di Legno, Courmayeur and Lago di Serrù are awesome. And I don't think all the hilly stages in the first week will go to the breakaway, cause there's the pink jersey, and the first TT won't make huge gaps. So it could actually be really interesting.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

[...]Courmayeur as previously rumoured. [...]

With an additional, unclassified hill before Colle San Carlo, no? I haven't seen any maps, just the profiles, but I guess they'll leave the valley road at Villaret, as the main road is basically flat until Morgex. (I just checked on Cronoescalada.com)

 

[Eshnar]

[...]Courmayeur as previously rumoured. [...]

With an additional, unclassified climb before Colle San Carlo, no? I haven't seen any maps, just the profiles, but I guess they'll leave the valley road at Villaret, as the main road is basically flat until Morgex. (I just checked on Cronoescalada.com)

yes, they do a small deviation before S.Carlo, looks to be little over 1 km at 10+%.
Also, the road to Verrogne is not exactly the one I posted, but close enough.