Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2022 route rumors

[ice&fire]

The most positive thing about few km of TTs is that Remco won't win this race by 10 minutes (but only by 5).

Remco and grumpy Patrick are a couple of cowards who decided to go for the Vuelta in an attempt to avoid facing Almeida.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Couldn't also clinic reasons be a part of the explaination why they don't have a huge amount of ITT and enough long mountain stages and height meters to compensate for this?

Honestly, I don't see that much more TT kms in the last decade would have made things much better. In most versions it would only made Froome or Contador or Roglic or Wiggins only more dominating. In other versions there weren't really the type of GC rider who would benifit much from that. The only exceptions were perhaps a couple of versions where Dumoulin was at his peak.

You dont get it. If the best climber is the best TT Guy and dominantes, so be IT. But a GT has to be a challenge and test all qualities. This is what the new school Fans dont get. If You want Close races, watch the 100m Sprint

 

[OlavEH]

You dont get it. If the best climber is the best TT Guy and dominantes, so be IT. But a GT has to be a challenge and test all qualities. This is what the new school Fans dont get. If You want Close races, watch the 100m Sprint

I haven't said that I want close races. I very much prefer mountain stages that creat huge gaps.

But when it comes to time trialing, history the last 10-15 years proves that you can have great GTs even with only a small amount of ITT. And personally I much prefer guys like Aru, Quintana and Bernal before Wiggins and Dumoulin.

 

[Escarabajo]

Very bad parcours IMHO. I always wait for this route to come out because it is exciting to dream what will happen in the stages. But this time it wasn't there, it wasn't good.
Maybe the Tour ends up being the best route, LOL.

 

[Bavarianrider]

I haven't said that I want close races. I very much prefer mountain stages that creat huge gaps.

But when it comes to time trialing, history the last 10-15 years proves that you can have great GTs even with only a small amount of ITT. And personally I much prefer guys like Aru, Quintana and Bernal before Wiggins and Dumoulin.

Again a real GT requires a route that tests all aspects of cycling. Going against the wind is one of them.

 

[OlavEH]

Again a real GT requires a route that tests all aspects of cycling. Going against the wind is one of them.

And as long as the mountain stages are entertaining, I don't give a shite about the time trials. The by far most imporant aspect with at GT is good hilly, medium mountain and mountain stages. Time trialing is far inferior in entertainment value.

 

[gregrowlerson]

And as long as the mountain stages are entertaining, I don't give a shite about the time trials. The by far most imporant aspect with at GT is good hilly, medium mountain and mountain stages. Time trialing is far inferior in entertainment value.

In the 2020 PDBF ITT, were we not entertained?

Also, a reason for why people love hard penultimate climb-easier final climb combo is because we potentially see "GC action" for 30 kms or more.

Well, there is another type of stage that guarantees such action...

 

[OlavEH]

In the 2020 PDBF ITT, were we not entertained?

Also, a reason for why people love hard penultimate climb-easier final climb combo is because we potentially see "GC action" for 30 kms or more.

Well, there is another type of stage that guarantees such action...

It doesn't happen very often that you have that kind of entertainment in time trials. And I still find monster mountain stages far more interesting. I would choose Finestre-Sestriere or Mortirolo-Aprica before a long and hard ITT in 10 of 10 cases.

 

[BigCoward]

Has anyone ever done any meaningful research into whether a good route actually produces good racing? I know everyone bangs on about being able to predict how things will go, but 2 of the best gc stages of the last 10 years were nothing medium mountain stages.

 

[OlavEH]

Has anyone ever done any meaningful research into whether a good route actually produces good racing? I know everyone bangs on about being able to predict how things will go, but 2 of the best gc stages of the last 10 years were nothing medium mountain stages.

And which stages were this?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Formigal

 

[Red Rick]

Has anyone ever done any meaningful research into whether a good route actually produces good racing? I know everyone bangs on about being able to predict how things will go, but 2 of the best gc stages of the last 10 years were nothing medium mountain stages.

Good routes leave options open for great racing, while bad routes generally shut it down or make it pointless. Both said medium mountain stages came at the back of a super hard queen stage.

Especially mountain finsihes of the cat 1 > cat 1> HC finish type are uber predictable.

 

[sir fly]

Looking at the route I'm thinking about the contenders' field.
The Tour's first week and closing TT should fill the Giro start list.
Plenty of riders won't have a better opportunity to make a GT mark.

 

[BlueRoads]

Looking at the route I'm thinking about the contenders' field.
The Tour's first week and closing TT should fill the Giro start list.
Plenty of riders won't have a better opportunity to make a GT mark.

I also started to check...
PCS has Gaudu and Adam Yates listed as not going to the Giro...
Riders I see for the Giro so far: Carapaz, Lopez, Almeida, Landa. And Colbrelli.

 

[gregrowlerson]

"Hello everyone, and welcome to the 2022 Giro d'Italia! I never knew that there was another three week cycling race, but apparently this event has been running for about a century. Well, perhaps the Giro has finally decided to go mainstream, and I suppose that one needs 'the voice' to go with that.

Anyway, without any further ado, let's talk about the battle for the pink jersey, shall we? Having a quick browse through the start list, and this looks like a clear head to head battle of epic proportions. A Columbian gold medal winner who has also finished as high as third in the Tour De France, Versus a pure climber from Portugal who has finished fourth, not once, but twice in the great race. This is spine tingling, for I'm now imagining a confrontation between Levi & Teejay.....what a general classification fight that would have been!

Onto the parcours. Can't say that I've heard of much of it, but there are a number of mountain top finishers, and I like those. Lance would have loved these finales, I am sure.

Now I have heard of Etna. But why have your Alp d'Huez like spectacle as early as stage four? What a cheeky little grand tour this is!

And Mortirolo....I may have heard of that somewhere before. But if it was in any way famous I would have assumed that it was a mountain top finish. Though then again, there is the tremendous Tourmalet of course.

I noticed what appeared to be a prologue, and an epilogue. But where is the actual individual time trial? I'll have to have another look; I must have missed it."

Phil Liggett, probably.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Now I'm tempted to try to find and reread the 2018 Giro route thread to see comments such as; "Who's going to bother to attack from that far out? And with Sky strangling the race?"

It doesn't get much better than this:

Rate the Giro 2018 route

What do ya all think? All the stage profiles can be found here http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/29/anteprima-altimetrie-giro-2018/

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[zlev11]

A bad route, while regrettable, would not be the end of the world, but this kinda sounds like a paradigm shift, like a conscious decision to sell out and be more like ASO, like this is the Giro's major label debut and it absolutely blows.

yeah, this is exactly what it feels like. and to think that back when they presented the 2020 route it seemed like they were going to start going in the exact opposite direction, with a good amount of decently long difficult mountain stages and a fair amount of TT. it felt like they were going to be "The Real GT" next to the gimmicky, "short explosive stages" (lol) Tour.

 

[Nirvana]

The fall of the Giro, that I considered a sort of last last man standing of a more "classic" GT route, to the "modern cycling" design has taken a so big toll on me that this night I even had a nightmare about the future of the sport, something like that:

"Year 2035,
Salvato has just been confirmed for his second term as UCI president with overwhelming support from riders after his deputy for the cycling reform Hansen has been able to totally change the sport as they requested.
Now one day races and stages cannot be longer than 100 kms, only the monuments and the Worlds could be up to 150 kms, pending approval from CPA.
Time trials cannot be longer than 10 kms and time shall not be counted for the GC to not hinder one trick pony climbers.
Flat stages/flat races should be held as criteriums in the cities centre and fully neutralized, in stage races GC riders could choose to not ride them.
Hilly stages/classics should be held on circuits not longer than 10 kms with only an hill per lap, the circuit should be designed by CPA after being informed of the host town chosen by the organization to avoid selection, in stage races eventual time gaps shall not be counted for the GC with only 3'', 2'', 1'' bonus awarded at the top of the hill for every passage.
Mountain stages should be held "en ligne" to showcase on television the valley who pays before the mountain that should always be as MTF to avoid the risk of having a descent in a race, the mountain should not be longer than 5 kms and at an altitude over 1500 meters, time gaps shall not count for GC until the last kilometer to favour the show of the uphill sprint and bonus (1', 30'', 15'') will be awarded to the podium finishers.
Under the new fair play protocol every time someone punctures, crashes or has some problem the whole race should be stopped and time limit is removed to allow riders to take coffee breaks or stop whenever they want.
The improved extreme weather protocol has new set limit for when races could be held, races should be cancelled when the temperature is below 15°C or above 30°C, whenever it rains and if the wind blows stronger than 20 km/h and there is risk of echelons.
In addition cobbles and sterrato are banned from road races and should be used only in the gravel series."

 

[SafeBet]

It doesn't get much better than this:

Rate the Giro 2018 route

What do ya all think? All the stage profiles can be found here http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/29/anteprima-altimetrie-giro-2018/

forum.cyclingnews.com

Many mentioned the Sappada and Finestre (even 70 km from the finish) stages among the positives. And not surprisingly those were the best stages.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The fall of the Giro, that I considered a sort of last last man standing of a more "classic" GT route, to the "modern cycling" design has taken a so big toll on me that this night I even had a nightmare about the future of the sport, something like that:

"Year 2035,
Salvato has just been confirmed for his second term as UCI president with overwhelming support from riders after his deputy for the cycling reform Hansen has been able to totally change the sport as they requested.
Now one day races and stages cannot be longer than 100 kms, only the monuments and the Worlds could be up to 150 kms, pending approval from CPA.
Time trials cannot be longer than 10 kms and time shall not be counted for the GC to not hinder one trick pony climbers.
Flat stages/flat races should be held as criteriums in the cities centre and fully neutralized, in stage races GC riders could choose to not ride them.
Hilly stages/classics should be held on circuits not longer than 10 kms with only an hill per lap, the circuit should be designed by CPA after being informed of the host town chosen by the organization to avoid selection, in stage races eventual time gaps shall not be counted for the GC with only 3'', 2'', 1'' bonus awarded at the top of the hill for every passage.
Mountain stages should be held "en ligne" to showcase on television the valley who pays before the mountain that should always be as MTF to avoid the risk of having a descent in a race, the mountain should not be longer than 5 kms and at an altitude over 1500 meters, time gaps shall not count for GC until the last kilometer to favour the show of the uphill sprint and bonus (1', 30'', 15'') will be awarded to the podium finishers.
Under the new fair play protocol every time someone punctures, crashes or has some problem the whole race should be stopped and time limit is removed to allow riders to take coffee breaks or stop whenever they want.
The improved extreme weather protocol has new set limit for when races could be held, races should be cancelled when the temperature is below 15°C or above 30°C, whenever it rains and if the wind blows stronger than 20 km/h and there is risk of echelons.
In addition cobbles and sterrato are banned from road races and should be used only in the gravel series."

Don't be so absurd!

By 2035 they'll be doing all of their racing on Strava (or perhaps by then it will have been renamed Remco).

 

[Nirvana]

Don't be so absurd!

By 2035 they'll be doing all of their racing on Strava (or perhaps by then it will have been renamed Remco).

Nah, the final step will be playing the Zwift videogame to see who is better at using power ups.

 

[Red Rick]

It doesn't get much better than this:

Rate the Giro 2018 route

What do ya all think? All the stage profiles can be found here http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/29/anteprima-altimetrie-giro-2018/

forum.cyclingnews.com

Ah yes I knew I rated that one fairly

 

[OlavEH]

Many mentioned the Sappada and Finestre (even 70 km from the finish) stages among the positives. And not surprisingly those were the best stages.

Yep, and those type of stage very ofen deliver. There some who repeatedly talks about that it is riders who are making the races, but often is just coincience if the stage is good. Like the two Formigal stages mentioned above. The first time it was Froome being far back in the peloton when his rivals increased the pace, and the second time is was mostly real shitty weather.

But some climbs or combinations of climbs delivers more or less every time. Finestre, Mortirolo and Stelvio at least 80-90 % of the instances and similar combinations more often than not. You can't use those three climbs every time, but when Italy has at least a dozen good secondary alternatives, a couple of this type of stages should be uses more or less in every edition.

 

[hrotha]

The fall of the Giro, that I considered a sort of last last man standing of a more "classic" GT route, to the "modern cycling" design has taken a so big toll on me that this night I even had a nightmare about the future of the sport, something like that:

"Year 2035,
Salvato has just been confirmed for his second term as UCI president with overwhelming support from riders after his deputy for the cycling reform Hansen has been able to totally change the sport as they requested.
Now one day races and stages cannot be longer than 100 kms, only the monuments and the Worlds could be up to 150 kms, pending approval from CPA.
Time trials cannot be longer than 10 kms and time shall not be counted for the GC to not hinder one trick pony climbers.
Flat stages/flat races should be held as criteriums in the cities centre and fully neutralized, in stage races GC riders could choose to not ride them.
Hilly stages/classics should be held on circuits not longer than 10 kms with only an hill per lap, the circuit should be designed by CPA after being informed of the host town chosen by the organization to avoid selection, in stage races eventual time gaps shall not be counted for the GC with only 3'', 2'', 1'' bonus awarded at the top of the hill for every passage.
Mountain stages should be held "en ligne" to showcase on television the valley who pays before the mountain that should always be as MTF to avoid the risk of having a descent in a race, the mountain should not be longer than 5 kms and at an altitude over 1500 meters, time gaps shall not count for GC until the last kilometer to favour the show of the uphill sprint and bonus (1', 30'', 15'') will be awarded to the podium finishers.
Under the new fair play protocol every time someone punctures, crashes or has some problem the whole race should be stopped and time limit is removed to allow riders to take coffee breaks or stop whenever they want.
The improved extreme weather protocol has new set limit for when races could be held, races should be cancelled when the temperature is below 15°C or above 30°C, whenever it rains and if the wind blows stronger than 20 km/h and there is risk of echelons.
In addition cobbles and sterrato are banned from road races and should be used only in the gravel series."

The Vuelta and the Giro have 14 stages. The Tour has 18.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It doesn't get much better than this:

Rate the Giro 2018 route

What do ya all think? All the stage profiles can be found here http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/29/anteprima-altimetrie-giro-2018/

forum.cyclingnews.com

Trying and failing to understand why I rated that Giro route a 4 when I gave that year's Tour route a 7. Even if I was comparing the Giro only to previous Giros and the Tour only to previous Tours, that's a big gap...