Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2023, stage 12: Bra - Rivoli 179 km

[Tim Cahill]

I like how we still refer to this as the Cipo route when his final GT stage win is 20 years ago to the day tomorrow. And people say sprinters aren't memorable...

What an ***hole he truly was

I miss him every day

 

[Red Rick]

So the interediate sprint is always first, then the bonus sprint? Ciclamino should heavily affect breakaway formation in mountain stages then.

Meanwhile, I noticed the bonus sprint tomorrow is in Verbier. LOL

 

[Tour de Berghem]

A friend watching RAI says me that they are saying that for Milan the problem is a bee sting

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The Cipo route leads to prison, doesn't it? I would avoid it, if I were Milan.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The Cipo route leads to prison, doesn't it? I would avoid it, if I were Milan.

I think a lot of people in the peloton (and outside it for that matter) would be willing to serve Cipo's prison sentence if it meant they also equalled his palmares...

(this does not in any way condone what he did to 'earn' that sentence)

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Hear me out: Quick-Step Deceuninck

Horner recently started speaking of Pseudo Quick-Step, yet I guess unknowingly.

But it stuck with me, isn't Quick-Step riding for GCs by definition Pseudo Quick-Step?

 

[Filippo_3467]

Doesn't really look like this break is going to work that great

 

[carton]

Nice composition - sprinters, rouleurs, climbers. That means there should be plenty of action later on.

Yeah plus one on this. Outside of a handful of guys like the aformentioned Tonelli and "Stephen Williams", who has to be a made up PCM name come to life, I can see pretty much anyone in this break winning this but all of them would need for very specific scenarios to play out in order to win. Like Pedersen would most likely have to be dragged back by teammates after the climb. And Kuss and Rubio can pretty much only win in a two-up sprint - they can't make it to through to the end solo and if even a Formolo or a Konrad makes it to the line with them they're pretty screwed.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Thought Sandro Toneli was a football player for Milan. Maybe it explains why they lost vs Inter. Midfielder is focusing on the Giro this year

Real also mostly lost because Luka Modric was finally exhausted by being Beatrix von Storch (German AfD Politican)

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Yeah plus one on this. Outside of a handful of guys like the aformentioned Tonelli and "Stephen Williams", who has to be a made up PCM name come to life, I can see pretty much anyone in this break winning this but all of them would need for very specific scenarios to play out in order to win. Like Pedersen would most likely have to be dragged back by teammates after the climb. And Kuss and Rubio can pretty much only win in a two-up sprint - they can't make it to through to the end solo and if even a Formolo or a Konrad makes it to the line with them they're pretty screwed.

Fwiw Konrad is much quicker in a sprint than Formolo, who somehow lost a two-up sprint to De Marchi in Tre Valli Varesine back in 2021. And we all saw how good De Marchi is in a sprint finish on Tuesday. There's a reason the guy has only four wins - they were all solos.

 

[Tour de Berghem]

Now instead the says blood from his nose for Milan

 

[RedheadDane]

Now instead the says blood from his nose for Milan

If he had been getting Covid tested - and I'm pretty sure he didn't - and he'd hit a pothole, then blood from the nose might have been the result.

 

[Filippo_3467]

So many as*clowns in that breaks its a joke. Mads and Matthews must think how are those guys in the pros. A few riders will remember them I guess when they are away at another time.

 

[Red Rick]

So many as*clowns in that breaks its a joke. Mads and Matthews must think how are those guys in the pros. A few riders will remember them I guess when they are away at another time.

It's not charity, none of those guys are there for GC, the chase isn't strong, so it's basic game theory to do as little as possible.

 

[Aimar16]

So many as*clowns in that breaks its a joke. Mads and Matthews must think how are those guys in the pros. A few riders will remember them I guess when they are away at another time.

The real mystery is why Matthews is working so much. He has a chance to win the stage, Pedersen doesn't.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'd say Van Wilder dodged the covid batch given how he's riding today

Interview before the start, he said he doesn't feel in top shape. He sounded deflated to the point of bumming me out, lol.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Interview before the start, he said he doesn't feel in top shape. He sounded deflated to the point of bumming me out, lol.

Looked very good driving the selection at the start, would contest for the stage amongst these riders in usual condition but we will see.

 

[carton]

Fwiw Konrad is much quicker in a sprint than Formolo, who somehow lost a two-up sprint to De Marchi in Tre Valli Varesine back in 2021. And we all saw how good De Marchi is in a sprint finish on Tuesday. There's a reason the guy has only four wins - they were all solos.

Sure. Maybe I should've written "even a Formolo or evidently a Konrad". But to be fair, Formolino made a hash out of that sprint against De Marchi, who anticipated him at the kite and methinks really goaded Davide into countering and then leading them out. He hasn't been that terrible in sprints for minor placings IIRC. So what I'm still positing that even Formolo would be a clear favorite against Rubio or Kuss in a flat sprint.

 

[RedheadDane]

Got a bit worried there that Van Wilder had gone to the Jai Hindley school of putting on a rain jacket.

 

[Red Rick]

Split in the breakaway

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Brilliant move to split the break at 90k to go with the peloton only 3 minutes back...

 

[Red Rick]

Brilliant move to split the break at 90k to go with the peloton only 3 minutes back...

If you're not one of the better climbers in the break it's actually really nice to get ahead.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

If you're not one of the better climbers in the break it's actually really nice to get ahead.

If you're not one of the better climbers in the break you're likely getting caught by the peloton if you have only 3 minutes at the bottom of the climb.

 

[dgodave]

Wow so wet. Werent Italy's rivers all drying up last year? I guess this will help.

 

[Tim Cahill]

The easy first half of this Giro has been brutal, the race hasn't even really started yet, going to be dropping like flies in the high mountains.

Festina affair levels of finishers I think.