Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2025 Route: Speculation, Rumours and Announcements

[OlavEH]

If they really are serious about getting both Pog and Vingegaard for the start, they should really do something else with the route than these 8 km, 9-10 % ramps they've done the last years. Bring back Finestre-Sestriere and Mortirolo-Aprica! Or do something big involving climbs like Stelvio/Gavia or Fedaia and Giau in the last part of the stage.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Mauro Vegni the imbecile will cook up a Mortirolo wrong side queen stage and useless stages in the dolomites as per usual, don't get your hopes up. Best material, worst route, takes a special kind of man to be able to consistently pull stuff like that

 

[Ricco']

If they really are serious about getting both Pog and Vingegaard for the start, they should really do something else with the route than these 8 km, 9-10 % ramps they've done the last years. Bring back Finestre-Sestriere and Mortirolo-Aprica! Or do something big involving climbs like Stelvio/Gavia or Fedaia and Giau in the last part of the stage.

If they want to get them both, they will probably be more easily convinced with a easy route than an hard route. Don't see either team, especially Visma with the bad year they had in 2023, to send a 2nd tier leader to the Tour.


That a big old bag full of paper, of course.

 

[zlev11]

Mauro Vegni the imbecile will cook up a Mortirolo wrong side queen stage and useless stages in the dolomites as per usual, don't get your hopes up. Best material, worst route, takes a special kind of man to be able to consistently pull stuff like that

yeah im expecting another very disappointing route. this years route was absolutely offensive but somehow the Tadej hype machine made everyone think they were watching a good race so i see no reason for Vegni to not do the same thing again.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Mauro Vegni the imbecile will cook up a Mortirolo wrong side queen stage and useless stages in the dolomites as per usual, don't get your hopes up. Best material, worst route, takes a special kind of man to be able to consistently pull stuff like that

It's mad really because Vegni's first routes as director were 2015/16, both in particular 2015 were both highly praised on this forum.

 

[houtdffan]

Vegni is still many times better than Gouvenou

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Govenou can't design a single mountain stage that isn't all about the MTF and yet Vegni gets all the *** it's so unreal

To be fair to Gouvenou, the last time he did a final mountain stage that wasn't a MTF (and it was a genuinely good design too), Van Aert was the first from the GC group. But yes, the past three years have been far too MTF-centric.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It's mad really because Vegni's first routes as director were 2015/16, both in particular 2015 were both highly praised on this forum.

There are two Vegnis: the one before he caved at the farce of Morbegno, and the one after it.

 

[pman]

I do wonder if Pog and Jonas are a package deal. As crazy as it would be for them to both line up at the Giro it makes sense on a few levels.
1) Money talks and the Giro often gets their star
2) Jonas clearly has something to prove and as wild as it is to say, a third Tour by itself might not be enough after the Pog double. Jonas might be out to prove he too can do the double, even against Pog.
3) Pog probably would be willing to try Jonas at the double seeing as he knows how to nail it.
4) I am a Remco and Roglic fan but does anyone seriously think Pog and Jonas can't win the Tour even after a tough Giro? They just seem so much better than everyone else at this point.
5) Pog didn't just do the double, he did it easily. That has to change how some people see it.

I just think if there was some deal for them both to target it, we'd know by now but I am hoping for it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I do wonder if Pog and Jonas are a package deal. As crazy as it would be for them to both line up at the Giro it makes sense on a few levels.
1) Money talks and the Giro often gets their star
2) Jonas clearly has something to prove and as wild as it is to say, a third Tour by itself might not be enough after the Pog double. Jonas might be out to prove he too can do the double, even against Pog.
3) Pog probably would be willing to try Jonas at the double seeing as he knows how to nail it.
4) I am a Remco and Roglic fan but does anyone seriously think Pog and Jonas can't win the Tour even after a tough Giro? They just seem so much better than everyone else at this point.
5) Pog didn't just do the double, he did it easily. That has to change how some people see it.

I just think if there was some deal for them both to target it, we'd know by now but I am hoping for it.

Pogacar put almost 10 minutes on Remco with a Giro in his legs... this is all about Pogacar and Vingegaard. It would be my wet dream seeing both of them in Italy and France.

 

[OlavEH]

If they want to get them both, they will probably be more easily convinced with a easy route than an hard route. Don't see either team, especially Visma with the bad year they had in 2023, to send a 2nd tier leader to the Tour.


That a big old bag full of paper, of course.

I would rather have a race without those two and with a proper Zomegnan style route than with those two and a rather easy route so they both can compete in the Tour.

A race with all the main guys besides the big three would be nice. Hindley and Vlasov vs Almeida and Yates, In addition Kuss (probably won't happen), Carapaz, Landa and Rodriguez.

 

[Rob5091]

Can n't see Vingegaard doing the Giro. Visma want Vingegaard at 100% for the Tour and there's no Roglic as helper ... only non-GC Kuss.
Same for Roglic as he's not got many years left to realistically go for the Tour.
Remco? It would need a lot of TT-kms and an "appropriate" apperance fee, even so I'd guess it depends more on how the Tour's parcours are.
Pogi? Been there, done that, but I guess the team will want him at the Tour and if Pogi wants to do more one day Spring races then the Giro might miss out.

 

[yaco]

I can see Vingegaaard doing the Giro because the appearance fee will be too good too refuse.

 

[Rob5091]

I can see Vingegaaard doing the Giro because the appearance fee will be too good too refuse.

Yeah, he'll have an extra mouth to feed soon!

 

[staubsauger]

Stelvio - Bormio 2000?

 

[ChiefMasterPro]

I hope that Vegni sees that a good route can make good racing. And that steep walls far before the finish create Ciclissmo.

 

[Breh]

I can see Vingegaaard doing the Giro because the appearance fee will be too good too refuse.

I can't imagine they'd pay him even half of what Pog was paid.

He might be as good in GT's but he's nowhere near as marketable.

 

[Netserk]

First three stages in Albania, then a couple of stages in Abruzzo as the first in Italy. Fruili with two stages at the end of the second week, one of them to Gorizia.

So third year in a row without Sicily and Calabria? Did all the covid money only reach the north?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Finestre 2018 literally happened under Vegni lmao.

Govenou can't design a single mountain stage that isn't all about the MTF and yet Vegni gets all the *** it's so unreal

With Vegni its recent routes, him giving in to bs from riders and Adam Hansen and the fact that he has the best opportunity out of any man in the world to make exciting stages. And he mostly fails which is not good. His race has gone to shite IMO

 

[Valv.Piti]

But are 5500 desnivel stages good just because they are 5500 desnivel stages? Not necessarily. His use of Mortirolo is straight up malpractice

 

[staubsauger]

With Vegni its recent routes, him giving in to bs from riders and Adam Hansen and the fact that he has the best opportunity out of any man in the world to make exciting stages. And he mostly fails which is not good. His race has gone to shite IMO

It has gone down within 3 years really. Because the 2020 Giro d'Italia still was a nicely designed race.

Ever since each edition has become worse and worse.

 

[ashhutch1997]

It has gone down within 3 years really. Because the 2020 Giro d'Italia still was a nicely designed race.

Ever since each edition has become worse and worse.

The 2020 Giro route is completely overatted IMO. Yes it had some greatly designed stages like Selvio but it was awfully backloaded. Week 2 other than the Tortoreto stage it wasn't great. There was also some very poor stage placement, with a fabulously designed medium mountain stage in Friuli which was wasted as it came directly before two high mountain stages.

 

[YavorD]

To be fair to Gouvenou, the last time he did a final mountain stage that wasn't a MTF (and it was a genuinely good design too), Van Aert was the first from the GC group. But yes, the past three years have been far too MTF-centric.

To be honest I really like the variety that 2023 route offered. There were downhill finishes, big climb/small climb combo, decent MTF's and a great stage 20. Ob top of that we've had GC-relevant stages every week.
It lacked the TT kilometres and some stages could've been designed better but the Toyr routes rarely get better than that.

 

[Breh]

Not sure it's all about the size of the payment. Or does RCS budget for appearance fee budget fluctuate with the market value of the star rider they manage to get? Or in 2023 did everything go to Evenepoel/SQS or did they have to pay Jumbo/Roglic to get in too.

Honestly, I don't have any inside info so my guess is as good as your.
I imagine RCS visiting it's sponsors and Eurosport to collect some money in order to get the biggest names who would otherwise just focus on Le Tour.

Doubt they did that to get Roglic or Evenepoel, it just happened fitted their schedule.

 

[Netserk]

The 2020 Giro route is completely overatted IMO. Yes it had some greatly designed stages like Selvio but it was awfully backloaded. Week 2 other than the Tortoreto stage it wasn't great. There was also some very poor stage placement, with a fabulously designed medium mountain stage in Friuli which was wasted as it came directly before two high mountain stages.

It got the most important things right, and it would have been even better with the original route. 49 km out of 65 km of ITT was before the biggest mountain stages, the first of which was the only hard MTF of the race. Etna on day three was from the best side yet and delivered maximally. The two big mountain stages that favoured long-range action were the last two of the race, and both of them were individually very nicely done. It had a grand total of two simple, boring flat stages (and one of the two had echelons).

It wasn't even particularly back-loaded for a Giro, but I agree that simply postponing the last rest day one day would have been good. It could have been even better, and it could easily have been made harder. But measured against other actual routes, it was good.

Doubt they did that to get Roglic or Evenepoel, it just happened fitted their schedule.

They paid for Evenepoel. Dunno about Rogla.