Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2025 stage 20: Verrès – Sestrière, 205 km

[Boehmand]

Then why does every single alpine climber do camps to adapt to altitude.

Because it helps in all altitudes.

Sprinters do altitude camps too for the same reason.

But (and I'm no expert I'm just quoting one) - the human body has a barrier around 2K altitude (for some it's 1800 for others 2200), where the performance drops off significantly, because of the low oxygen intake, and it can't really be trained much - you can maybe move the needle 2-4 % but it's mostly about genetics.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Are the lines best fit curves for Cat 1 , cat 2 etc?

Yes, Finestre could be in beyond-HC category.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

EF attack while Carapaz is at the cars. Hmmm

 

[KZD]

A Grand Tour where the breakaway always win the mountain stages, is always a ridiculous Grand Tour.

Stage 7, 11 and 17 were not won by breakaways...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Riders do altitude training camps to increase their EPO. Cycling is an endurance sport, it doesn't matter if you are a sprinter or a climber.

 

[danielzu]

How on earth could astana miss this completely? I know the stage win will be fought out by the gc guys, but being in a break would help them finishing higher in gc and getting more points

 

[Froome]

Stage 7, 11 and 17 were not won by breakaways...

I consider stage 7 and 11 medium mountain stages, not hard mountain stages.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Off course you can train altitude effectevlly,lmao.ask climbers on everest,forget about cyclists.same is true for heat,cold,fatigue resistence. etc.Mfers are running death valey for 120 kms.

 

[noob]

Masnada not even talking about racing but talking about a football match in interview

Maybe he wants to do a Remco in reverse

 

[SafeBet]

How on earth could astana miss this completely? I know the stage win will be fought out by the gc guys, but being in a break would help them finishing higher in gc and getting more points

Don't know about Fortunato and Ulissi, but Scaroni has a problem with hot weather. Yesterday he was dropped by 20 riders in the break.

He told me he'll likely add some heat training in his plan for next season.

 

[noob]

Today I will write on my writing course about a real life experience. So why not write about the horror of having to leave this stage for a writing course. I don't want to leeeeeave my TV right now

 

[BubbaChuck]

Human is best in animal kingdon,when it comes to endurance.we are top dog,when it comes to who can hold longer,lol.cycling despite all advances is nowhere yet.still dont consider this as true extreme endurance sport.

 

[Tim Cahill]

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yes, Finestre could be in beyond-HC category.

TBF the Giro has never really balanced out climbs the same, and the Tour has started getting extremely creative with their categorisations recently. Vars HC? Côte des Chevrères cat.1? I mean FFS.

However, because normally the Giro only gives out its highest mountains points for the Cima Coppi and has historically had no HC status, things like the Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Monte Grappa, Monte Bondone, Manghen, Sampeyre and others which are clear HC-level climbs but not at sufficient altitude to ever be the Cima Coppi are simply given cat.1 status; this often means that either the race is very stingy with cat.2 status for some seriously tough climbs (San Pellegrino, Valparola, Falzarego, Tonale, Cibiana and so on have seen it in the past), or that climbs earlier in the race given cat.1 status like Rionero Sannitico or Monte Carpegna are ridiculously categorised with the same points available as a climb like Grappa or Mortirolo (like in 2008, for example).

Finestre in 2005 is the only example that comes to my mind of the Giro actually implementing a "HC" category:

This was as the Cima Coppi that year was Stelvio. In 2011, it was reduced back down to cat. 1:

Since then, when included, Finestre has been the Cima Coppi, which has meant that it at least gets that 'special' mountains points value.

Based on the old Giro GPM, cat.3 was 3-2-1, cat.2 was 5-3-1, cat.1 was 10-6-4-2-1, an MTF (of any category considered worth giving points) was 15-10-6-4-2 and the Cima Coppi was 20-15-10-6-4-2.

I can't remember exactly what points were given for Finestre back in 2005, but it was a special category of its own.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Maybe he wants to do a Remco in reverse

If he had been talking about Edmonton possibly winning the Stanley Cup I would have been really, really impressed! lol

 

[Devil's Elbow]

TBF the Giro has never really balanced out climbs the same, and the Tour has started getting extremely creative with their categorisations recently. Vars HC? Côte des Chevrères cat.1? I mean FFS.

However, because normally the Giro only gives out its highest mountains points for the Cima Coppi and has historically had no HC status, things like the Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Monte Grappa, Monte Bondone, Manghen, Sampeyre and others which are clear HC-level climbs but not at sufficient altitude to ever be the Cima Coppi are simply given cat.1 status; this often means that either the race is very stingy with cat.2 status for some seriously tough climbs (San Pellegrino, Valparola, Falzarego, Tonale, Cibiana and so on have seen it in the past), or that climbs earlier in the race given cat.1 status like Rionero Sannitico or Monte Carpegna are ridiculously categorised with the same points available as a climb like Grappa or Mortirolo (like in 2008, for example).

Finestre in 2005 is the only example that comes to my mind of the Giro actually implementing a "HC" category:

This was as the Cima Coppi that year was Stelvio. In 2011, it was reduced back down to cat. 1:

Since then, when included, Finestre has been the Cima Coppi, which has meant that it at least gets that 'special' mountains points value.

Based on the old Giro GPM, cat.3 was 3-2-1, cat.2 was 5-3-1, cat.1 was 10-6-4-2-1, an MTF (of any category considered worth giving points) was 15-10-6-4-2 and the Cima Coppi was 20-15-10-6-4-2.

I can't remember exactly what points were given for Finestre back in 2005, but it was a special category of its own.

Wasn't Mortirolo also a special category in 2017 to commemorate Scarponi?

 

[Boehmand]

Human is best in animal kingdon,when it comes to endurance.we are top dog,when it comes to who can hold longer,lol.cycling despite all advances is nowhere yet.still dont consider this as true extreme endurance sport.

If a shark stops swimming, it suffocates

 

[BubbaChuck]

lol,ok land.

 

[Boehmand]

lol,ok land.

We need Nibali out of retirement

 

[KZD]

I consider stage 7 and 11 medium mountain stages, not hard mountain stages.

Well in the original post you only talked about mountain stages and stages 7 and 11 fit that category.

 

[Salvarani]

Oh, Tiberi.

Among the last of the peloton atm

 

[Boehmand]

Dom Pedersen hard at work again

 

[Cycling111]

Steinhauser suffering at the back of the peloton.
Yesterday he worked too hard on the break. I didn't understand it.

 

[Red Rick]

TBF the Giro has never really balanced out climbs the same, and the Tour has started getting extremely creative with their categorisations recently. Vars HC? Côte des Chevrères cat.1? I mean FFS.

However, because normally the Giro only gives out its highest mountains points for the Cima Coppi and has historically had no HC status, things like the Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Monte Grappa, Monte Bondone, Manghen, Sampeyre and others which are clear HC-level climbs but not at sufficient altitude to ever be the Cima Coppi are simply given cat.1 status; this often means that either the race is very stingy with cat.2 status for some seriously tough climbs (San Pellegrino, Valparola, Falzarego, Tonale, Cibiana and so on have seen it in the past), or that climbs earlier in the race given cat.1 status like Rionero Sannitico or Monte Carpegna are ridiculously categorised with the same points available as a climb like Grappa or Mortirolo (like in 2008, for example).

Finestre in 2005 is the only example that comes to my mind of the Giro actually implementing a "HC" category:

This was as the Cima Coppi that year was Stelvio. In 2011, it was reduced back down to cat. 1:

Since then, when included, Finestre has been the Cima Coppi, which has meant that it at least gets that 'special' mountains points value.

Based on the old Giro GPM, cat.3 was 3-2-1, cat.2 was 5-3-1, cat.1 was 10-6-4-2-1, an MTF (of any category considered worth giving points) was 15-10-6-4-2 and the Cima Coppi was 20-15-10-6-4-2.

I can't remember exactly what points were given for Finestre back in 2005, but it was a special category of its own.

I went back and was shocked Isola 2000 was a Cat 1 last year.

 

[ice&fire]

Human is best in animal kingdon,when it comes to endurance.we are top dog,when it comes to who can hold longer,lol.cycling despite all advances is nowhere yet.still dont consider this as true extreme endurance sport.

More often than not they testing the limits of viewers endurance though