Giro d'Italia Giro D'Italia 2025 Stage 9: Gubbio – Siena (181km)

[Boehmand]

So Vacek made it alone to the front alone but Ciccone group wouldn't have made it back to the front with Vacek (+ Konrad) helping?
If Vacek had pulled the group with Konrad from the start instead of going solo, they would have easily reeled back the front group when it was just Rivera and Bernal pushing. Then potentially after a regroup Vacek could have gone clear with other non GC riders, and they could have played also the Ciccone card for the the finish. That was the obvious way to play it.

I'll say it again:

Lidl's main objective is not GC for Ciccone, it's stage wins.

You may think Ciccone could have somehow made it to the front, if Vacek had dropped back earlier - and then ferried Ciccone all the way back to the front (a front Vacek couldn't stick with himself - I disagree.

MvdP or another mutant might have been able to do something like that, but Vacek is not a mutant - not yet at least.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

General classification after stage 9 and time won or lost in the classification.

Rnk.	+/-	Rider	Team	Time	Time won/lost
1	▲4	DEL TORO Isaac	UAD	33:36:45	▲0:26
2	▲2	AYUSO Juan	UAD	1:13	▼0:53
3	▲3	TIBERI Antonio	TBV	1:30	▼0:46
4	▲7	CARAPAZ Richard	EFE	1:40	▼0:44
5	▲9	CICCONE Giulio	LTK	1:41	▼0:40
6	▲4	YATES Simon	TVL	1:42	▼0:46
7	▲8	BERNAL Egan	IGD	1:57	▼0:54
8	▲1	MCNULTY Brandon	UAD	1:59	▼1:08
9	▲7	YATES Adam	UAD	2:01	▼0:56
10	▼7	ROGLIČ Primož	RBH	2:25	▼2:08

 

[Rou]

del Toro must be the unhappiest looking person to ever receive the pink jersey on that podium

I hope they don't force him to work for Ayuso. Let the road decide!

 

[Oldman]

over? two weeks left...it will still be between Ayuso and Roglic

Don't ignore Carapaz, the ultimate opportunist. He could be the companion Roglic needs in a raid at the right time.

 

[Red Rick]

One would think that resting Moscon or Tratnik yesterday by having them ride grupetto instead of doing the donkey work would be common sense, but nope...

Which riders of UAE were rested yesterday? All the same guys there today were there yesterday.

 

[Blanco]

Rare enjoyable win by van aert. Have to credit him , deserved the stage today

Deserved how? Didn't put his nose in the wind once till last 300m, Del Toro dragged him for 15km's. I thought I'd be happy when he wins, after all misfortune he had, but I'm not. This is not the way the great riders win.

 

[titan31]

One would think that resting Moscon or Tratnik yesterday by having them ride grupetto instead of doing the donkey work would be common sense, but nope...

Loss of Hindley didn't help but Martinez is just an incredible disappointment and shouldn't have been selected imo. Considering this stage too, Adria would have been better to bring here than Moscon or Denz

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Just goes to show how ambitious del Toro is that he is unhappy to be the first Mexican to lead the Giro ..he wanted the stage

 

[TastyGroceries]

I'll say it again:

Lidl's main objective is not GC for Ciccone, it's stage wins.

You may think Ciccone could have somehow made it to the front, if Vacek had dropped back earlier - and then ferried Ciccone all the way back to the front (a front Vacek couldn't stick with himself - I disagree.

MvdP or another mutant might have been able to do something like that, but Vacek is not a mutant - not yet at least.

What I'm saying was that Vacek should have from the start never gone with Harper/solo to chase the front and kill his legs doing so, he should have worked with Konrad to pull back the front group, which would have been the best strategy both for the stage win and for GC. Instead of that it was a complete mess with Vacek chasing the front group alone and Konrad working at the same time in the Ciccone group.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

This may not be of any interest to most of you but the 3 best looking men in cycling were 1, 2 and 3 on todays stage

Reason enough for Netflix to get over to the Giro

 

[Miha81]

del Toro must be the unhappiest looking person to ever receive the pink jersey on that podium

Maybe they gave him only green light to attack Rogla after his fall. And all of the sudden Ayuso and Yates are half a minute behind

 

[tobydawq]

I'm liking this washed up Wout.
I hope Ayuso and Del Toro start infighting.
And Roglic will have to go on the offensive if he wants this. Doing the last 500m sprint at the hilltop ain't gonna cut it. Take a page from your countryman and get aggressive Rogla!
This Giro is looking good, can't wait for the coming 2 weeks!

You didn't watch the Vuelta?

 

[Blanco]

Stone heart here. Anybody but the cartel.

Here too.

 

[search]

Vacek is also trying to ride for the gc, before the mtf he talked about trying to keep the jersey on the team...

I don't think he really aims for the overall, it is/was more about staying in contention to take the jersey for a couple of days.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Deserved how? Didn't put his nose in the wind once till last 300m, Del Toro dragged him for 15km's. I thought I'd be happy when he wins, after all misfortune he had, but I'm not. This is not the way the great riders win.

He had no reason to collaborate, though, since del Toro was racing into pink and van Aert has at least nominal GC threat teammates.

Besides, del Toro is negotiating from a position of weakness. Van Aert is the favourite in the sprint between the two, so del Toro couldn't really offer him anything in return to do a "you take stage I take pink" kind of deal either.

 

[tobydawq]

Deserved how? Didn't put his nose in the wind once till last 300m, Del Toro dragged him for 15km's. I thought I'd be happy when he wins, after all misfortune he had, but I'm not. This is not the way the great riders win.

So he should just piss on Yates' GC ambitions?

He couldn't have done anything else today, impossible to make everyone happy. Nice to see that ilmaestro didn't take this cheap shot, though.

 

[Potomac]

This may not be of any interest to most of you but the 3 best looking men in cycling were 1, 2 and 3 on todays stage

Reason enough for Netflix to get over to the Giro

McNulty was on the podium?

 

[titan31]

This may not be of any interest to most of you but the 3 best looking men in cycling were 1, 2 and 3 on todays stage

Reason enough for Netflix to get over to the Giro

Ganna wasn't here

 

[Unchained]

Del Toro didn't deserve the win tbh, attacked because of a crash then didn't even have the courage of his convictions and wheelsucked instead of driving the gap home to get a big GC lead.

Hard to paint Del Toro as anything other than a Chevy 350 workhorse!! Didn't do anything dastardly, disrespectful or underhanded, villain like, instead he stayed upright, out of trouble, cashed in on extensive training with Pogacar for Strade Bianche, knowing where to be.
Looking around and seeing Bernal, Wout as part of the group of 4 ,just took his pulls and group opened gap a little more. Instead of racing like a green second year pro, took a look at elites in the group and attacked them, a couple of times!!
When you are 21 and attack a rider of Van Aert quality and accomplishments, many of them off road it takes serious courage, not criticism or someone else's misfortune and miscalculations.
Del Toro, and Wout Van Aert rode lights out, full gas, take no prisoners!! Great result for both, completely deserved, nothing was gifted to either rider!!

Worth noting that Isaac Del Toro won the first race he entered as a pro, on his first day with UAE by rolling bold off the front.
Del Toro has 2 second place finishes in this Giro, He had 2 top 10 finishes in his first year, at his first grand tour, 2024 Vuelta!! Guy is on the rise from hard work, including today.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

My take away from this stage:

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I thought Ciccone was on the podium ?

 

[Cycling111]

For the first time in the Giro, LIDL made a mistake.
Vacec's move to stop and see that Ciccone was the best of the group.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Congrats to Wout, I thought I was cooking slowly in the wheel of Del Toro like it happened in Brantat, but he was able to hold on.

Roglic was unfortate, with people crashing in front of him when he was in perfect postion and the puncture, althoug he still did not look great to me in the last 3 days.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

We quickly go to get Pogacar's reaction to today's stage...

 

[zlev11]

One more thing. How can Redbull be viewed as a superteam with performances like this?
Patxi Villa is a real mastermind of cycling. Last year he gave 6 minutes to O'Connor in the Vuelta. Today the man who saved Roglic is the youngster PELLIZZARI.
Poor performance from this team as a whole.

they were awful today. whoever dragged Roglic to the front before the 1st sector (I thought it was Denz but the commentators said Moscon) and Pellizari were good. everyone else awful. reminds me of the Tour last year when they also laid a huge egg on the gravel stage.