Giro d'Italia Stage 4: Savigliano - Cuneo (TTT) 32.5km

[TRDean]

I have no problems at all with Evans winning the Giro by the way. Like I said the entire time, it's funny what ACF94 posts all the time.
Evans can win every race this year and it won't bother me, rather him than Basso or Vino...

Totally agree!! Vladimir Karpets all the way!!

 

[trompe le monde]

For the record (taken from cycling news' live updates):

1 Liquigas-Doimo 00:36:37
2 Sky Professional Cycling Team 00:00:13
3 Team HTC-Columbia 00:00:21
4 Team Katusha 00:00:27
5 Cervélo TestTeam 00:00:36
6 Astana 00:00:38
7 Omega Pharma-Lotto 00:00:44
8 Garmin-Transitions 00:00:47
9 Team Saxo Bank 00:00:50
10 Team Milram 00:00:55
11 Rabobank 00:01:02
12 BMC Racing Team 00:01:19
13 Lampre-Farnese Vini 00:01:41
14 Footon-Servetto 00:02:01
15 Colnago-CSF Inox 00:02:06
16 Quick Step 00:02:12
17 Bbox Bouygues Telecom 00:02:17
18 Caisse d'Epargne 00:02:19
19 Androni Giocattoli 00:02:22
20 Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne 00:02:26
21 Acqua & Sapone 00:02:30
22 Ag2R-La Mondiale 00:02:48

 

[issoisso]

Honestly I could not name a single guy on that squad besides Evans

Bookwalter Might Cry

 

[dgodave]

Cool, but cycling is no math, so we can disregard all this.

Cycling is lots of math. I thought that was obvious.
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Watts, incline, speed, wind, gap to peleton, distance, math in all of them. Then there's the non-math part too.
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[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I have no problems at all with Evans winning the Giro by the way. Like I said the entire time, it's funny what ACF94 posts all the time.
Evans can win every race this year and it won't bother me, rather him than Basso or Vino...

Me either (would be good for cycling in australia). Though I would like to see sastre win. (Nibali would be very cool too). Like I said it is the obnoxious posters kissing evans A$s that make me hate him

 

[TRDean]

Me either. Though I would like to see sastre win. (Nibali would be very cool too). Like I said it is the obnoxious posters kissing evans A$s that make me hate him

OK Timmy...gotta agree with you there!!! LOL

 

[davis_123]

Cool, but I failed math, so we can disregard my posts.

*edited for accuracy*

 

[joy118118]

Isn't Nibali doing the Giro as preparation for the Tour?

Nibali in 2010 = Contador in 2008?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Cycling is lots of math. I thought that was obvious.
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Watts, incline, speed, wind, gap to peleton, distance, math in all of them. Then there's the non-math part too.
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You can be frickin Einstein, if you don't have talent or a huge workload it's useless. It's still all about strength

The strength factor >>>>>>>>>>> all other factors. You do math which would only be correct if every rider (or in this case) team was evenly strong

 

[powderpuff]

Me either. Though I would like to see sastre win. (Nibali would be very cool too). Like I said it is the obnoxious posters kissing evans A$s that make me hate him

Nah... you hate him without my help.

 

[Moondance]

Agnoli, Kiserlovski and even better...Szmyd!

Easily the best climbing squad in the race

Yeah...

It's why I was originally such a strong Pellizotti believer, because these guys are just going to be very hard to top. Cadel now has two minutes to make up on Nibali & Basso. With two TTs and plenty of bonification seconds to be won left he could still get that even if he can't get away from the Liqui train up the mountains (which he also could still do)... But clearly Evans can't ever afford to get dropped. If not Liquigas will pounce and slaughter him.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Liqui will set a high tempo no doubt.

 

[jaylew]

Isn't Nibali doing the Giro as preparation for the Tour?

Well, he wasn't supposed to be doing it at all. With his late call up I think the only plan was to just see how it went but they could have easily replaced Pelli with someone else. They wouldn't have changed up Nibali's schedule unless they thought he would be strong. After all, the plan all along was for them to have a two-headed attack.

Anyway, he's Italiian. No way he just does the Giro as training if he feels like he has a shot.

 

[Jamsque]

Liquigas is certainly well placed now, but pressure will also be squarely on them to do a lot of the pace-making, especially in the mountains. They certainly won't want Evans or Vino to be less than 30 seconds behind Nibali/Basso going in to the last TT.

 

[issoisso]

Me either (would be good for cycling in australia). Though I would like to see sastre win. (Nibali would be very cool too). Like I said it is the obnoxious posters kissing evans A$s that make me hate him

Why hate him?

To give a similar example, I don’t hate Hagen just because half his fans are loud, whiny blind bias monkeys who think being realistic and down to earth is saying “I’m not one of those biased fans who think he’s guaranteed he’ll be the new Merkcx. I just think it’s likely he’ll be the new Merckx” and will label a "hater" anyone who doesn't bow down and agree. I hate those fans themselves!

In a similar vein, Evans doesn’t deserve hate just because some fans are incapable of seeing reality.
If a moron comes in here insulting everyone and supporting your arguments, does that mean you should be hated? Not really.

But I understand it’s a normal human reaction and hard to avoid having . We just have to have a little sense over this

 

[dgodave]

You can be frickin Einstein, if you don't have talent or a huge workload it's useless. It's still all about strength

The strength factor >>>>>>>>>>> all other factors. You do math which would only be correct if every rider (or in this case) team was evenly strong

Its not doing the math , Einstein style, that matters.
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Its the actual force of wind speed and resistance that matter, which can be expressed mathematically: the "strength factor" of the wind, to put it in your terms. To deny this is to totally misunderstand cycling.
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(assuming changing winds were actually an issue in this case...)
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[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Liquigas is certainly well placed now, but pressure will also be squarely on them to do a lot of the pace-making, especially in the mountains. They certainly won't want Evans or Vino to be less than 30 seconds behind Nibali/Basso going in to the last TT.

The last time trial, isn't really for specialists though, you'll find the men who were in form in the mountains will do well here, and wont lose too much time to the better TTrs. But yes, whoever wins, will want this sewn up going into the last ITT.

 

[offbyone]

Liquigas surprised me with this result, really good ride by them.

Vino blowing up his own team is hilarious, but frankly I am surprised they didn't end up losing more time.

BMC rode decently, but I still see them as one of the big losers here.


Ferminal- I concede, the time gaps were smaller than I expected. I thought they would be huge especially with a little weather.

 

[Jamsque]

The GC battle is going to heat up pretty soon. Stage 5 should be straightforward, but 6 and 7 are both solidly in the "not a stage to win the race on, but easily a stage to lose it" category, and 8 is the first big summit finish.

 

[sonofjive]

Liquigas is certainly well placed now, but pressure will also be squarely on them to do a lot of the pace-making, especially in the mountains. They certainly won't want Evans or Vino to be less than 30 seconds behind Nibali/Basso going in to the last TT.

+1 I think this makes for a potential great race. LG will have to decide who their leader is and attack in the mountains to be sure of the win. Vino will attack because he's Vino. Sastre and Evans have to attack to have any chance.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Why hate him?

To give a similar example, I don’t hate Hagen just because half his fans are loud, whiny blind bias monkeys who think being realistic and down to earth is saying “I’m not one of those biased fans who think he’s guaranteed he’ll be the new Merkcx. I just think it’s likely he’ll be the new Merckx” and will label a "hater" anyone who doesn't bow down and agree. I hate those fans themselves!

In a similar vein, Evans doesn’t deserve hate just because some fans are incapable of seeing reality.
If a moron comes in here insulting everyone and supporting your arguments, does that mean you should be hated? Not really.

But I understand it’s a normal human reaction and hard to avoid having . We just have to have a little sense over this

haha hate might have been a strong word. I honestly don't hate the guy.

But like i said earlier, it's like my mates and arsenal, they can be over bearing... and in terms of cadel evans I find myself I preferring him not to win, possibly as a reaction to these posters (but I have never been impressed with CE's attitude towards losing. I hate the excuses).. they really just bring the worse out of me i guess Plus their gloating kills me

I think he is a good guy, but in the past I think he could have handled his losses a little better. He has a habit for hiding behind excuses. And I think as a result he shows little respect to the men whom beat him.

That being said there are other riders - carlos sastre for example - that I just like a lot better as a rider.
My main motivation for evans winning would be to improve cycling in australia.

 

[jaylew]

The last time trial, isn't really for specialists though, you'll find the men who were in form in the mountains will do well here, and wont lose too much time to the better TTrs. But yes, whoever wins, will want this sewn up going into the last ITT.

True, but he said 30 secs. That's not much and could easily be lost.

 

[tgsgirl]

I missed most of today's stage (ok, all except Vino's tantrum), does anyone happen to remember which five posted the time for Lotto? I'm assuming Lang, but other than that...

 

[powderpuff]

LeakyGas will have to do a lot of work controlling things and they will try to keep the tempo high when it gets a bit vertical, Nibali and Basso(unlike the Schlecklets & AC) don't have that big kick to continually put people in the red zone, they have to set a high pace early and keep it there and hope people have a bad day. This benefits Cadel's style of riding and he generally has a better sprint finish in the hills so the bonus points will help a lot if he can get them.
AT the TdF after the TTT he had virtually given up winning and even finishing on the podium was very slim but his attitude towards racing and self belief this year, he and Buy More Cake won't be giving up any time soon.

 

[red_flanders]

Me either (would be good for cycling in australia). Though I would like to see sastre win. (Nibali would be very cool too). Like I said it is the obnoxious posters kissing evans A$s that make me hate him

I dislike Evans purely based on Evans. His personality could not be any less appealing to me.

I'm rooting for Vino, Karpets (okay, whatever), and Nibali. I'm ambivalent toward Basso, Garzelli and pretty much everyone else.