Giro d'Italia Stage 4: Savigliano - Cuneo (TTT) 32.5km

[swuzzlebubble]

Agnoli is tasmanian?

Scar removed!

 

[sportzchick]

Plausible...some of her spelling is certainly absurd enough to suggest a non-native English speaker...

so you are going down the spelling route huh - how mature!

Ok not that anyone needs to know, I am a born and bread. native Australian who types too fast

someone shoot me for it :rollseyes:

 

[Jamsque]

The big disappointment of the day has got to be Garmin. OK, they lost VDV, and their team isn't stacked with TT talent the way it sometimes is, but I had expected that the engine room of Millar, Tuft, Bobridge and Meyer would be enough to put them up at the sharp end of things.

 

[issoisso]

Scar removed!

I've never heard that expression

 

[stefank]

Agnoli is tasmanian?

Or is he 26 already? Seems like yesterday he was 23. Time flies

Sorry, I didn't realise his age, and was assuming that Goss - never mind!

 

[sportzchick]

That's what I was expecting. Can we secede from the rest of Australia now?

hehe - your close to victoria....I dont blame you

Richie is doing a steller job - a future star no doubt

 

[issoisso]

I agree completely. This is advantage Basso.

Let us think back to last year.

Sastre's best race, the giro:
Beat Basso by just 13 seconds overall.

Evan's best race last year, the vuelta:
Beat Basso by just 40 seconds overall.

ANd let us not forget that it was basso's first season back.

He is in a great position AND has the best team here!

Advantage Basso

If he can keep with Sastre and Evans on the climbs and a break can take away the bonus seconds on one of the mountain stages (Pejo Fonti most likely) he's the main candidate

 

[davis_123]

BMC did an excellent TTT, I expected them to lose more. I just don't think the wind was that much of a factor here.
There was also more rain for the teams that started later, for example Sky. There are just too much factors to say the external influences where decisive.

The thing that is most decisive is still the strength of the teams... so I see this, without falls, as a fair result whatsoever

Clearly maths isn't your strong point, wind resistance is a major factor in everything.

With a 10km/h tailwind the rider has to be going 10km/h before he feels any wind resistance at all, by the end it was supposedly 25km/h which means Astana felt no resistance while BMC were riding against a 15km/h breeze.

You only need to look at 100m sprinters for this case to be proved, if there is more then a 2km tailwind the time doesn't count as a record. That is right 2 not 20, it makes the 15km/h advantage the latter teams had seem massive in comparison.

 

[Roland Rat]

The big disappointment of the day has got to be Garmin. OK, they lost VDV, and their team isn't stacked with TT talent the way it sometimes is, but I had expected that the engine room of Millar, Tuft, Bobridge and Meyer would be enough to put them up at the sharp end of things.

Yep. I think a couple of teams must have misjudged the course. Henderson was tweeting beforehand that this course was one where you go hard to start and try to hang on. That tactic clearly failed.

 

[Moondance]

Kind of like what i would have. I think generally people are OVER estimating Liquigas. Yes they have Nibali who can tt and ivan is alright but is the rest of the team that flash?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?

Sorry... Had to rub it in.

There were a lot of Liqui doubters... But the strongest team usually wins.

 

[issoisso]

Sorry, I didn't realise his age, and was assuming that Goss - never mind!

No need to apologize

I was wondering if I was wrong and Agnoli was 26 already.

 

[Walkman]

I agree completely. This is advantage Basso.

Let us think back to last year.

Sastre's best race, the giro:
Beat Basso by just 13 seconds overall.

Evan's best race last year, the vuelta:
Beat Basso by just 40 seconds overall.

ANd let us not forget that it was basso's first season back.

He is in a great position AND has the best team here!

Advantage Basso

Well, without the bike problems that would have been like 2.10 and I don't think Evans was in that great shape at the Vuelta. Now on the other hand he looks great so I'd say we are up for some interesting racing, for sure!!

 

[fatandfast]

The big disappointment of the day has got to be Garmin. OK, they lost VDV, and their team isn't stacked with TT talent the way it sometimes is, but I had expected that the engine room of Millar, Tuft, Bobridge and Meyer would be enough to put them up at the sharp end of things.

I would bet that Cadel doesn't agree..he feels like the biggest disappointment.I think you should let him have the title.

 

[Jamsque]

Yep. I think a couple of teams must have misjudged the course. Henderson was tweeting beforehand that this course was one where you go hard to start and try to hang on. That tactic clearly failed.

Garmin and Sky certainly both seemed to do that, going very hard out of the gate and looking good at the first check, but fading fast after that.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I have no problems at all with Evans winning the Giro by the way. Like I said the entire time, it's funny what ACF94 posts all the time.
Evans can win every race this year and it won't bother me, rather him than Basso or Vino...

 

[jaylew]

I agree completely. This is advantage Basso.

Let us think back to last year.

Sastre's best race, the giro:
Beat Basso by just 13 seconds overall.

Evan's best race last year, the vuelta:
Beat Basso by just 40 seconds overall.

ANd let us not forget that it was basso's first season back.

He is in a great position AND has the best team here!

Advantage Basso

I think Nibali will be the guy. I see Basso getting dropped in the mountains.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Clearly maths isn't your strong point, wind resistance is a major factor in everything.

With a 10km/h tailwind the rider has to be going 10km/h before he feels any wind resistance at all, by the end it was supposedly 25km/h which means Astana felt no resistance while BMC were riding against a 15km/h breeze.

You only need to look at 100m sprinters for this case to be proved, if there is more then a 2km tailwind the time doesn't count as a record. That is right 2 not 20, it makes the 15km/h advantage the latter teams had seem massive in comparison.

Cool, but cycling is no math, so we can disregard all this.

 

[sportzchick]

Sorry... Had to rub it in.

There were a lot of Liqui doubters... But the strongest team usually wins.

gotta admit I didnt think they would be the no.1 team after today but they rode out of their skin

Still early days and anything can happen

 

[The Sheep]

Clearly maths isn't your strong point, wind resistance is a major factor in everything.

With a 10km/h tailwind the rider has to be going 10km/h before he feels any wind resistance at all, by the end it was supposedly 25km/h which means Astana felt no resistance while BMC were riding against a 15km/h breeze.

You only need to look at 100m sprinters for this case to be proved, if there is more then a 2km tailwind the time doesn't count as a record. That is right 2 not 20, it makes the 15km/h advantage the latter teams had seem massive in comparison.

Didn't the wind come from the east so there was not tailwind?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Agnoli is tasmanian?

Scar removed

I've never heard that expression

Can't be Tasmanian - only has one head.

 

[issoisso]

Kind of like what i would have. I think generally people are OVER estimating Liquigas. Yes they have Nibali who can tt and ivan is alright but is the rest of the team that flash?

BMC in the prologue put out better results than cervelo and liquigas. I think BMC will take time on Cervelo. BMC recconned the ttt course quite a bit.

Probably my take,
Sky
HTC-Columbia +10"
Astana +30"
Saxo +35"
Liquigas+1"00
BMC+1"20'
Cervelo +1"25

Agnoli, Kiserlovski and even better...Szmyd!

Easily the best climbing squad in the race

 

[Walkman]

I think Nibali will be the guy. I see Basso getting dropped in the mountains.

Isn't Nibali doing the Giro as preparation for the Tour?

 

[Jamsque]

I would bet that Cadel doesn't agree..he feels like the biggest disappointment.I think you should let him have the title.

There was no expectation on BMC, though. Honestly I could not name a single guy on that squad besides Evans. No amount of course recon was going to turn his motley crew of US domestic stars and Pro Tour cast-offs into a force to be reckoned with in the TTT. They quite simply don't have the talent.

 

[issoisso]

Didn't the wind come from the east so there was not tailwind?

They were going southwest the whole day and gradually swerving westwards towards the finish

Can't be Tasmanian - only has one head.

Must be an australian thing

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Cadel is going to b!tch slap Nibali and Basso. Mark my words. I wasn't a Cadel fan for many years, but lately he's shown a new attacking fire.