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Greg Lemond: Tour legend and anti-doping crusader

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Belokki said:
he had to react...

he does not attack anyone, unless attacked first...and then he will destroy you... ask Greg, Simoni or anyone else...

Yeah, he destroyed Greg. :D Got Trek to right him a big check. Court case made it clear that Lance had interfered with Greg's Trek business relationship so now lance has to keep drinking glasses of "Shut up" or he will have to write another check. He wrote a nice big check to Simeoni as well.

Don't you have some backs to crack Hombre?
 
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Galic Ho said:
Stop generalising dude. Who, where, when and why? Name them. Start a thread. Lance looked clean this Tour. So did the rest of the Shack. Contador looked clean. All the riders struggled in comparison to other years.
OK...............................
 
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saganftw said:
these lemond celebrating threads are becoming as much annoying as LA...i hate them with passion:mad:

I have reviewed this post, and have deemed it not in keeping with the spirit of the board. I will direct your attention to threads and posts that speak favorably of Contador. Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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The funny thing is that Lemond has forgotten that he beat cyclists that were juicing when he rode, what does that say about his performance? Also he and his physician at the time were also named in doping related performances in court papers. How come he was never investigated?
The final TT of this tour showed an amazing performance by Cancellara who blistered the TT. Yet his average speed is still less than Lemonds was when he beat Fignon. So if Greg still holds that record ( and I believe he does) after a 3 week GT with better equipment, wheels, bikes, helmets etc. now, better training methods now, what does that say about Lemonds performance. Lemond isn't trying to clean up the sport he loves, he is a contradicting bitter old man with an agenda that has nothing to due with the good of the sport. If Lance is guilty of something then we will find out when it is all said and done. If Novitsky finds something on Lance legally ( not the way he gathered info on Barry Bonds) then so be it. I still think that if you believe an idiot like Landis, then you probably donated to his defense fund and he has F**ked you twice.
 
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killermeter said:
The funny thing is that Lemond has forgotten that he beat cyclists that were juicing when he rode, what does that say about his performance? Also he and his physician at the time were also named in doping related performances in court papers. How come he was never investigated?
The final TT of this tour showed an amazing performance by Cancellara who blistered the TT. Yet his average speed is still less than Lemonds was when he beat Fignon. So if Greg still holds that record ( and I believe he does) after a 3 week GT with better equipment, wheels, bikes, helmets etc. now, better training methods now, what does that say about Lemonds performance. Lemond isn't trying to clean up the sport he loves, he is a contradicting bitter old man with an agenda that has nothing to due with the good of the sport. If Lance is guilty of something then we will find out when it is all said and done. If Novitsky finds something on Lance legally ( not the way he gathered info on Barry Bonds) then so be it. I still think that if you believe an idiot like Landis, then you probably donated to his defense fund and he has F**ked you twice.

Hear hear! And I would like to add that Lemond is only interested in removing the last obstacle between himself and the top US TDF rider position. That is all he is about. His "clean campaign" is about as genuine as LA's cancer effort.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
I am continually amazed at the number of posters who just happened to join either in July 2009 or July 2010.

LOL.

Not one single shred of evidence that Lemond ever doped. It's not as though he failed multiple tests, like Lance did.

Whats your point? Does someone joining in July make them less worthy? Or is it that it's either this year or last, no wait, you just joined November 09 so it can't be that.
 
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Kwibus said:
Which performances are you talking about? I can't remember anything really suspicious imo.

Did you see Contador and Shleck popping each other right and left on one of the final mountain stages?

Looked an awful lot like the Rasmussen - Contador year when they attacked each other time and time again, no?
 
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Why do you think that Novitsky isn't going after LA for doping? Maybe the 300 or so negative tests are hard NOT to believe in a court of law. So instead he does the Al Capone thing and goes after him for Tax evasion, Racketeering, Using Governmant money to support a doping program, etc. etc. He is being tried in the USA because he was on an American team with American sponsors. Lucky for him yes but better than the "witchunt" system of justice in Europe.
Just a thought, How many of you, if you were in front of a judge with your life, reputation and livelihood on the line and the a jury of your peers found you innocent on a "technicality" and you were set free, you'd be pretty happy wouldn't you? C'mon, raise your hands.....yeah I thought so.
 
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eleven said:
Did you see Contador and Shleck popping each other right and left on one of the final mountain stages?

Looked an awful lot like the Rasmussen - Contador year when they attacked each other time and time again, no?

Actually NO...you might want to watch again...with your eyes open.
 
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killermeter said:
Why do you think that Novitsky isn't going after LA for doping?

Because doping in and of itself is not illegal, especially when the claim is that it was done on foreign soil (where Novitsky has no jurisdiction)
 
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TRDean said:
Actually NO...you might want to watch again...with your eyes open.

I've watched it more than once - with eyes open!

and actually yes, it looked a lot like Rasmussen - Contador.

or, perhaps you believe Conti was clean and keeping up with a dirty Chicken?
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
I am continually amazed at the number of posters who just happened to join either in July 2009 or July 2010.

LOL.

Not one single shred of evidence that Lemond ever doped. It's not as though he failed multiple tests, like Lance did.

Which ones were those? I'm just curious as I remember the corticosteroid positive test. And because we don't have an SRM available to us for Gregs data I guess we will never know (accurately) what his output was back then right? Pretty convienent for him to attack the the topic of doping based on info that we can't use against him. I always wondered why Greg at the time had this entourage of people watch his drug samples like a hawk, whereas LA gives up his samples and that's that. Again if Lance doped then he doped and we can only wait for the end of the investigation to find that out. It certainly won't be decided by anyone of the "experts" in here
 
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killermeter said:
The funny thing is that Lemond has forgotten that he beat cyclists that were juicing when he rode, what does that say about his performance? Also he and his physician at the time were also named in doping related performances in court papers. How come he was never investigated?
The final TT of this tour showed an amazing performance by Cancellara who blistered the TT. Yet his average speed is still less than Lemonds was when he beat Fignon. So if Greg still holds that record ( and I believe he does) after a 3 week GT with better equipment, wheels, bikes, helmets etc. now, better training methods now, what does that say about Lemonds performance. Lemond isn't trying to clean up the sport he loves, he is a contradicting bitter old man with an agenda that has nothing to due with the good of the sport. If Lance is guilty of something then we will find out when it is all said and done. If Novitsky finds something on Lance legally ( not the way he gathered info on Barry Bonds) then so be it. I still think that if you believe an idiot like Landis, then you probably donated to his defense fund and he has F**ked you twice.

Wow, you hit all the talking points in one post. You might get a cookie.

Use the search engine, this has all been covered multiple times so you can image that some might questions your intentions, or intelligence, if you repeat the same garbage.

-Please tell us how anything in Lemonds time could give the 13% boost of EPO. There were plenty of clean riders then.
-Provide link, with the direct quote, to the court papers claim
-TT was short, downhill, wind at back. If you know anything about the bike you would understand this
 
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eleven said:
Because doping in and of itself is not illegal, especially when the claim is that it was done on foreign soil (where Novitsky has no jurisdiction)

And you would need some semblance of prooof, I.e. Positive test, blood bags, etc.
 
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killermeter said:
Which ones were those? I'm just curious as I remember the corticosteroid positive test. And because we don't have an SRM available to us for Gregs data I guess we will never know (accurately) what his output was back then right? Pretty convienent for him to attack the the topic of doping based on info that we can't use against him. I always wondered why Greg at the time had this entourage of people watch his drug samples like a hawk, whereas LA gives up his samples and that's that. Again if Lance doped then he doped and we can only wait for the end of the investigation to find that out. It certainly won't be decided by anyone of the "experts" in here

These
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
 
killermeter said:
Which ones were those? I'm just curious as I remember the corticosteroid positive test. And because we don't have an SRM available to us for Gregs data I guess we will never know (accurately) what his output was back then right? Pretty convienent for him to attack the the topic of doping based on info that we can't use against him. I always wondered why Greg at the time had this entourage of people watch his drug samples like a hawk, whereas LA gives up his samples and that's that. Again if Lance doped then he doped and we can only wait for the end of the investigation to find that out. It certainly won't be decided by anyone of the "experts" in here

1999 EPO use. But you knew that already. And corticosteroids.

Good of you to admit you have ZERO evidence against Lemond. Zero. Yet you fanboys still try to discredit a true American champion in favor of your 7* time fraud.
 
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killermeter said:
The funny thing is that Lemond has forgotten that he beat cyclists that were juicing when he rode, what does that say about his performance? Also he and his physician at the time were also named in doping related performances in court papers. How come he was never investigated?
The final TT of this tour showed an amazing performance by Cancellara who blistered the TT. Yet his average speed is still less than Lemonds was when he beat Fignon. So if Greg still holds that record ( and I believe he does) after a 3 week GT with better equipment, wheels, bikes, helmets etc. now, better training methods now, what does that say about Lemonds performance. Lemond isn't trying to clean up the sport he loves, he is a contradicting bitter old man with an agenda that has nothing to due with the good of the sport. If Lance is guilty of something then we will find out when it is all said and done. If Novitsky finds something on Lance legally ( not the way he gathered info on Barry Bonds) then so be it. I still think that if you believe an idiot like Landis, then you probably donated to his defense fund and he has F**ked you twice.

By whom and in what court papers were GL and his physician named in doping related performances? If you're just quoting Dr. "Statute of Limitations" Ferrari's letter recently posted to CN, don't bother. Refer to it or link it. We've all read it and admired the way it tells us absolutely nothing concrete.

As for the record TT, could you please just READ before you post? PLEASE? That TT was downhill, with a tailwind. This point has been made numerous times on these forums and is of course documented in any report of the actual event.

And FWIW, no I did not contribute to the Fairness Fund. At the time, I believed FL's denials about as much as I believed in the existence of Tyler's chimera twin.

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eleven said:
I've watched it more than once - with eyes open!

and actually yes, it looked a lot like Rasmussen - Contador.

or, perhaps you believe Conti was clean and keeping up with a dirty Chicken?

Rasmussen dropped AC repeatedly like a used condom, the dust settled before he and Levi got to the finish line.
 
Race Radio said:
Wow, you hit all the talking points in one post. You might get a cookie.

Use the search engine, this has all been covered multiple times so you can image that some might questions your intentions, or intelligence, if you repeat the same garbage.

-Please tell us how anything in Lemonds time could give the 13% boost of EPO. There were plenty of clean riders then.
-Provide link, with the direct quote, to the court papers claim
-TT was short, downhill, wind at back. If you know anything about the bike you would understand this

These people know nothing about cycling or Lemond or anything else. They just have their talking points list and their job is to go out and regurgitate them. That's all. Complete tools.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
These people know nothing about cycling or Lemond or anything else. They just have their talking points list and their job is to go out and regurgitate them. That's all. Complete tools.

Really, well all my verification is in the same place and Lemonds verification that Lance doped.
 
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eleven said:
I've watched it more than once - with eyes open!

and actually yes, it looked a lot like Rasmussen - Contador.

or, perhaps you believe Conti was clean and keeping up with a dirty Chicken?


yep, just look at rasmussens ridiculous growing curve from 2002/2003 onwards. when he was what?? 29?!

and it isn't as if rasmussen doped himself to the heavens. the guy can only do up to 48/49% hematocrite not to get caught, that's why you se emany former epo users get back after suspension and are still on top. . this isn;t the early/mid 90s for crying out loud
 

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