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What a pity, he missed E3 as well.
Would have been interesting to see him at peak form in 2016 for those races.
He's had a few close calls on the climbs and then not having enough strength on the descends and flats.
like in 2015 worlds.
2015 definitely had too many close calls. Losing to stybar at strade bianche. 3rd place at both RVV and PR, both him being extremely close. Having a puncture at Paris Tours, and worst and most painful part was getting hit by a motor on his way to San Sebastian. It rounded off with the worlds.. Quite a devastating year for him, full of close calls.
El Pistolero said:
What a pity, he missed E3 as well.
Would have been interesting to see him at peak form in 2016 for those races.
He's had a few close calls on the climbs and then not having enough strength on the descends and flats.
like in 2015 worlds.
2015 definitely had too many close calls. Losing to stybar at strade bianche. 3rd place at both RVV and PR, both him being extremely close. Having a puncture at Paris Tours, and worst and most painful part was getting hit by a motor on his way to San Sebastian. It rounded off with the worlds.. Quite a devastating year for him, full of close calls.
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No, it's pretty easy to explain actually since the situation was very different. The bunch after Arenberg was a) way too big to have a good organization, and b) the strongest team (hence most looked at) had just 3 guys (including their leader) in it so they were obviously not going to burn themselves. Meanwhile last year there were only 20 riders left with 110k to go (because of a few crashes) and, also important, many domestiques (4 or 5 guys for Boonen, same for Vanmarcke and a few Sky's as well). Then there's just no other option than to go full gas.
Besides, GVA was not THE big favourite like Cancellara and Sagan were last year.
Põhja Konn said:
No, it's pretty easy to explain actually since the situation was very different. The bunch after Arenberg was a) way too big to have a good organization, and b) the strongest team (hence most looked at) had just 3 guys (including their leader) in it so they were obviously not going to burn themselves. Meanwhile last year there were only 20 riders left with 110k to go (because of a few crashes) and, also important, many domestiques (4 or 5 guys for Boonen, same for Vanmarcke and a few Sky's as well). Then there's just no other option than to go full gas.
Besides, GVA was not THE big favourite like Cancellara and Sagan were last year.
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I think the Kristoff/Tony Martin situation played the biggest part here.
Plus the fact that for QS was the biggest threat Sagan and Degenkolb not GVA.
Trek realized the possibility to get rid of GVA and they put the hammer down but QS was quite weak yesterday.
I think even that Sagan attack 76 km to go was not the suicide mission, but a mission to get rid of GVA, he just wanted to speed up the front group, he turned back several times quite surprised that nobody follows.
He wasted so much energy on it so he continued, but I am sure he would prefer to see some committed "favorites" with him.
Flamin said:
I think the Kristoff/Tony Martin situation played the biggest part here.
Plus the fact that for QS was the biggest threat Sagan and Degenkolb not GVA.
Trek realized the possibility to get rid of GVA and they put the hammer down but QS was quite weak yesterday.
I think even that Sagan attack 76 km to go was not the suicide mission, but a mission to get rid of GVA, he just wanted to speed up the front group, he turned back several times quite surprised that nobody follows.
He wasted so much energy on it so he continued, but I am sure he would prefer to see some committed "favorites" with him.
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You mean that Tony would have pulled if Kristoff was in the first group? Maybe, but not very committed I'd say.
And I think Trek only started upping the pace on the run-in to and on the cobbles of Hornaing-Wandignies (secteur 17). But GVA had already returned by then.
SKSemtex said:
You mean that Tony would have pulled if Kristoff was in the first group? Maybe, but not very committed I'd say.
And I think Trek only started upping the pace on the run-in to and on the cobbles of Hornaing-Wandignies (secteur 17). But GVA had already returned by then.
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I think that if Kristof was in the first group Tony Martin would be much more devoted to riding full gas to get rid of GVA. The same as last year. QS did not have this kind of diesel this year.
Tony was crazy last year, he was the main reason Cance Sagan had no chance last year.
It was painful to see the desperation of Tony this year. I think he made a huge mistake not going to Bora last year. I start to feel it is personal. :sad: .
I wish Sagan has Oss and Martin in the team. They would be very hard to beat. And I am sure Sagan would let them win some races.
Flamin said:
I think that if Kristof was in the first group Tony Martin would be much more devoted to riding full gas to get rid of GVA. The same as last year. QS did not have this kind of diesel this year.
Tony was crazy last year, he was the main reason Cance Sagan had no chance last year.
It was painful to see the desperation of Tony this year. I think he made a huge mistake not going to Bora last year. I start to feel it is personal. :sad: .
I wish Sagan has Oss and Martin in the team. They would be very hard to beat. And I am sure Sagan would let them win some races.
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Yes, he is. Much bigger that Sagan in this moment The Belgium squad is monstrous. And his sprint is also monstrous after the hard race.
To tell the truth, before I saw his sprint yesterday I was pretty sure that Sagan beats him any day if they do approximately the same amount of work. Now I start to think that Sagan mistake in RVV caused GVA probably his first monument. And I really like Greg for not whining about it at all. My respect.
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Yes, he is. Much bigger that Sagan in this moment The Belgium squad is monstrous. And his sprint is also monstrous after the hard race.
To tell the truth, before I saw his sprint yesterday I was pretty sure that Sagan beats him any day if they do approximately the same amount of work. Now I start to think that Sagan mistake in RVV caused GVA probably his first monument. And I really like Greg for not whining about it at all. My respect.
Probably because if it was not for Nibali's mistake in Rio, Greg Van Avermaet would not be Olympic Champion either.
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Even better rider than Valverde at the moment. Unfortunately the Tour route looks super bad for a rider like Greg (I suppose he will ride), but you win some and you lose some, still lots of races to win in the autumn, including the stripes which I hope he will win (If Valverde finally can't win them...)
Is he a legend of the sport?... He probably needs one more monument/WC to be considered one.
Is he a legend of the sport?... He probably needs one more monument/WC to be considered one.
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No, no, he's not a legend that's certain! He needs couple of years at the top for that. He's among the very best since last summer, that's too short. If we call him a legend, then Kristoff, Kwiatkowski or even Degenkolb could make a case also, and that will be too much legends, if you know what I mean. Sport has couple of legends (Contador, Valverde, Nibali, maybe Gilbert), and couple more on the way (Froome, Sagan, Quintana) and that's it. Others are current champions, very good riders, but legends no.
Valv.Piti said:
No, no, he's not a legend that's certain! He needs couple of years at the top for that. He's among the very best since last summer, that's too short. If we call him a legend, then Kristoff, Kwiatkowski or even Degenkolb could make a case also, and that will be too much legends, if you know what I mean. Sport has couple of legends (Contador, Valverde, Nibali, maybe Gilbert), and couple more on the way (Froome, Sagan, Quintana) and that's it. Others are current champions, very good riders, but legends no.
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How is Gilbert a maybe?
First rider in 20 years to win both the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Second rider in history to win the Ardennes treble. He won the Ronde van Vlaanderen with a solo of 56km, the longest since Eddy Merckx in 1969. He's the only rider in the current peloton to have been on the podium in four different Monuments. He also won the World Championships. Nobody has won more World Tour races than him (11). He also won stages in all three Grand Tours.
Mr.White said:
How is Gilbert a maybe?
First rider in 20 years to win both the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Second rider in history to win the Ardennes treble. He won the Ronde van Vlaanderen with a solo of 56km, the longest since Eddy Merckx in 1969. He's the only rider in the current peloton to have been on the podium in four different Monuments. He also won the World Championships. Nobody has won more World Tour races than him (11). He also won stages in all three Grand Tours.
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It states it started in 2009, but fully merged with the World Ranking in 2011, hence why it starts counting since 2009.
And Gilbert won big races, Gerrans won small ones besides his two monuments.
3 times Tour Down Under and GP Quest France. Bleh. I'd rather win non-WT races then lol.
Netserk said:
It states it started in 2009, but fully merged with the World Ranking in 2011, hence why it starts counting since 2009.
And Gilbert won big races, Gerrans won small ones besides his two monuments.
3 times Tour Down Under and GP Quest France. Bleh. I'd rather win non-WT races then lol.
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No, it merged with the ProTour in 2011 (do you even read?), and from then on it was the World Tour. Before that, it was the World Ranking.
You are the one who uses WT as a parameter (funnily enough because you thought it was the most favorable to Gilbert). Use other measures if you want, but do it properly.
You are the one who uses WT as a parameter (funnily enough because you thought it was the most favorable to Gilbert). Use other measures if you want, but do it properly.
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Does it matter what the ranking was called? He's number one.
Don't be so butt-hurt.
Netserk said:
Does it matter what the ranking was called? He's number one.
Don't be so butt-hurt.
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Nope, due to in-fighting between UCI and ASO a lot of prestigious races weren't part of the WT/ProTour for a while, like Paris-Roubaix, etc.
Giro & Vuelta didn't belong to the ProTour for example in 2008.
Netserk said:
Nope, due to in-fighting between UCI and ASO a lot of prestigious races weren't part of the WT/ProTour for a while, like Paris-Roubaix, etc.
Giro & Vuelta didn't belong to the ProTour for example in 2008.
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