Hamilton the Songbird

[tifosa]

For me i dont care who cracks 1st whether it be Hamilton, Kristin Armstrong, Zabriskie whoever i cannot wait to see the Armstrong fraud unraveled for good. For me the worst part about this years TDF was Lance crashing on the stage to Morzine as it robbed us fans of him being dropped like a bad habit on the last climb and shown to be the average cyclist he was before he went on the best doping regime in all of sports.

+ 28 million. Amen.

 

[flicker]

You respond like these teams and their promoters, DS's are unfortunate and innocent collateral damage. Destroy Pro Cycling is the dismantlement of your version of pro cycling.

Hamilton and Flandis are examples of the worst in cycling. Hamilton has an effective lifetime ban,(unless I see him someday in the 45+ amatuers)
Floyd wonders the earth like an unwanted step-child. They killed Phonak by tag team doping. Sounds like they would like to kill BMC and Ris/Ochowicz.
To me Floyd /Tyler are poster boys for destroy pro cycling.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yeah, but it's all irrelevant because gear supported his whole house of cards career.

Who really gives a $hit? At this point we don't even know if he'd be more than a great weekend warrior. The guy has been jacked since he's been in triathlon for goodness sake.


Keep in mind, this is, "to be fair."

That's true... but considering the history of the other contenders during his string of wins, the question we get to ask is if Lance's Dope was better then their Dope, or if they were all equal Dopes and Lance was just better.

It doesn't really matter at this point. My only point is that while there are plenty of reasons to go after Lance... workload in the break of that stage probably isn't one of them. He pulled pretty heavily on the climb while others sat on... and others pulled on the flat while he sat on.

 

[Oldman]

Hamilton and Flandis are examples of the worst in cycling. Hamilton has an effective lifetime ban,(unless I see him someday in the 45+ amatuers)
Floyd wonders the earth like an unwanted step-child. They killed Phonak by tag team doping. Sounds like they would like to kill BMC and Ris/Ochowicz.
To me Floyd /Tyler are poster boys for destroy pro cycling.

Do you really think they came to those doping regimes soley on their own research and desire? That's too naive for any fan to still believe and you are well informed. It's time to stop blaming the inmates alone for the insanity.

 

[flicker]

Do you really think they came to those doping regimes soley on their own research and desire? That's too naive for any fan to still believe and you are well informed. It's time to stop blaming the inmates alone for the insanity.

For your info I get my info from other sources than cyclingnews and wikipedia.
I know the score. I have been in the loop since the 70s. You do not need to enlighten me. I only write the drivel for the newbies who need to HTFU.

 

[Benotti69]

For your info I get my info from other sources than cyclingnews and wikipedia.
I know the score. I have been in the loop since the 70s. You do not need to enlighten me. I only write the drivel for the newbies who need to HTFU.

post your source of fantastic information or is it all word of mouth

To me Floyd /Tyler are poster boys for destroy pro cycling.

Pro cycling has been at risk of implosion since the Festina affair and even more so when some greedy texan loud mouthed bully boy decided to win more than 5 TdFs

 

[NashbarShorts]

To me Floyd /Tyler are poster boys for destroy pro cycling.

Really, you don't want to include Paul Kimmage in there and just make it a nice trifecta of "People who hate Cycling"??

Actually, if I had to name a poster boy for "wants to bring down the whole sport", I'd name a guy who:

- after Festina '98, when the whole world was holding its breath to see if cycling would clean up its act, chose to instead dope to a string of 7 Tour wins
- successfully duped the world media, but --
- is now on the verge of bringing a huge tidal wave of NEGATIVE press and "we knew it" condemnation against the whole sport.

Now, is there anybody out there who fits the bill, or do should we just stick w/ Floyd, Tyler, and Kimmage??

 

[Escarabajo]

Hamilton's biggest risk would be his Gold medal.....But who are they going to hand it to, Eki? It wasn't like he was not on the same bus as Floyd getting a transfusion.

The Russian federation wanted to sue Hamilton so Eki could take gold. LOL. Talking about being a Hypocrite.

 

[buckwheat]

That's true... but considering the history of the other contenders during his string of wins, the question we get to ask is if Lance's Dope was better then their Dope, or if they were all equal Dopes and Lance was just better.

It doesn't really matter at this point. My only point is that while there are plenty of reasons to go after Lance... workload in the break of that stage probably isn't one of them. He pulled pretty heavily on the climb while others sat on... and others pulled on the flat while he sat on.

But my point is that these conversations are on par with whether Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy Whitewolf were a better tag team combo than the Exectutioners, even when the Executioners had like 10 Executioners coming out from under the ring. Who cares? Maybe the Imperial Wizard of Wrestling or classy Freddie Blassie!

The big question for me is whether Pharmstrong will be jacked 5 years from now, so someone like me doesn't blow his doors off on the LBS weekend ride.

 

[buckwheat]

The Russian federation wanted to sue Hamilton so Eki could take gold. LOL. Talking about being a Hypocrite.

I'd love to jam that gold medal down Putin's throat, after choking Palin with the ribbon.

 

[flicker]

I'd love to jam that gold medal down Putin's throat, after choking Palin with the ribbon.

That's what I'm talkin bout Willis. In order for the serious doping,(not the lightweight type of Gregs' era and before we need to study the Eastern block and German athletes. The stuff about Festina and Pharm boy are only trivia compared to that. They started the real science of doping. Others followed and refined but the Eastern block is the culpret.

 

[flicker]

post your source of fantastic information or is it all word of mouth



Pro cycling has been at risk of implosion since the Festina affair and even more so when some greedy texan loud mouthed bully boy decided to win more than 5 TdFs

Originally Posted by flicker
For your info I get my info from other sources than cyclingnews and wikipedia.
I know the score. I have been in the loop since the 70s. You do not need to enlighten me. I only write the drivel for the newbies who need to HTFU.
post your source of fantastic information or is it all word of mouth
I say kill the messenger. The messenger I do not want to be. Open your ears get close to cycling and all will be apparent.

 

[Signor Corleone]

Signor Corleone

Get real Ullrich was a cycling prodigy from his teens, Jef Du Hont quotes in his book that Jan was a once in a lifetime talent and if it were not for doping he would have dominated cycling. Im under no illusion about Ullrich doping but for you to say he doped more than Lance then i say why did he lose by 6 minutes on average to him from 2000-05. Lance Armstrong killed cycling stone dead in 1999, following the Festina scandal they could have been a purge of doping and a new beginning instead he ushered in the law of silence and cast a long shadow over this sport to this very day. Armstrong apologists are the people who are holding this sport back and keeping it in the stone age.

Probably the most sensible comment so far.....

 

[BroDeal]

But once he failed to drop people like Cunego on the climb... he did stop working. Understandable, because at that point his only shot in a sprint was the others killing themselves while he rested.

That "crushing" of the Little Prince was less than impressive.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Originally Posted by flicker
For your info I get my info from other sources than cyclingnews and wikipedia.
I know the score. I have been in the loop since the 70s. You do not need to enlighten me. I only write the drivel for the newbies who need to HTFU.
post your source of fantastic information or is it all word of mouth
I say kill the messenger. The messenger I do not want to be. Open your ears get close to cycling and all will be apparent.

Sometimes I wonder if your elevator goes clear to the penthouse.

 

[BroDeal]

Sometimes I wonder if your elevator goes clear to the penthouse.

He and Polish are one taco short of a combination plate.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Get real Ullrich was a cycling prodigy from his teens, Jef Du Hont quotes in his book that Jan was a once in a lifetime talent and if it were not for doping he would have dominated cycling. Im under no illusion about Ullrich doping but for you to say he doped more than Lance then i say why did he lose by 6 minutes on average to him from 2000-05. Lance Armstrong killed cycling stone dead in 1999, following the Festina scandal they could have been a purge of doping and a new beginning instead he ushered in the law of silence and cast a long shadow over this sport to this very day. Armstrong apologists are the people who are holding this sport back and keeping it in the stone age.

I think this statement is tremendously underestimating how deeply permeated with doping the sport was, is and will be, with or without Armstrong.

 

[Oldman]

That's what I'm talkin bout Willis. In order for the serious doping,(not the lightweight type of Gregs' era and before we need to study the Eastern block and German athletes. The stuff about Festina and Pharm boy are only trivia compared to that. They started the real science of doping. Others followed and refined but the Eastern block is the culpret.

You get no argument here. One of our friends was on the US swimming team that had to face Cornelia Ender and the rest of East Germany's shemales. She met some of them before they died of horrible complications from that experimental program and felt lucky to be alive.

 

[straydog]

Noone in their right mind would question the discipline of a professional athlete who got second place in the most prestigious event in their sport. Seriously, people have such a warped view of Ullrich's career.

I hardly think I am the first "right" minded individual to question Ullrich's relative discipline compared to some of his competitors....remember Walter Godefroot's comments....you know?...Jan's DS....with a pretty impressive palmares of his own on which to base his opinion?

 

[straydog]

oh....and a pretty impressive doping CV....seeing as we are on the topic

 

[Realist]

I hardly think I am the first "right" minded individual to question Ullrich's relative discipline compared to some of his competitors....remember Walter Godefroot's comments....you know?...Jan's DS....with a pretty impressive palmares of his own on which to base his opinion?

It's bull**** and politics. He was never overweight in July.

 

[hrotha]

It's bull**** and politics. He was never overweight in July.

So it was just that he didn't dope early in the season and only geared up for the Tour?

 

[Anonymous]

He and Polish are one taco short of a combination plate.

Maybe so, but Polish is a genius.

 

[Wallace]

It's bull**** and politics. He was never overweight in July.

That may be true, but he certainly was hugely overweight in March, for many years. Those photographs of him (too lazy to look up right now) at early season training camp with a serious gut are pretty damning. Can you name another major grand tour rider who packed on that kind of weight in the off-season? Merckx certainly didn't, or Hinault, and Indurian only did in the last year of his career, when it was time to hang up the cleats (and even then, he didn't have the kind of gut Ullrich packed on). And lord knows Armstrong didn't.

What kind of a serious young athlete in his prime puts on that kind of gut in the off-season? In my racing days I was only a US Cat 2, but I sure as hell watched my weight in the off-season.

Obviously the reasons why Ullrich let himself go like that in the winter are complex, and part of his psychology, but you can't tell me that starting the season in that kind of appalling shape doesn't have any impact on your ability to compete in the toughest sport in the world.

 

[Escarabajo]

Hamilton and Flandis are examples of the worst in cycling. Hamilton has an effective lifetime ban,(unless I see him someday in the 45+ amatuers)
Floyd wonders the earth like an unwanted step-child. They killed Phonak by tag team doping. Sounds like they would like to kill BMC and Ris/Ochowicz.
To me Floyd /Tyler are poster boys for destroy pro cycling.

So doping is OK for you?

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