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[Beech Mtn]

Are they doing the TTT as a series of head-to-heads, or are 8 teams starting at different points around the course and thus on course at the same time, or what's the deal?

Still don't understand Velon's plan here. I don't watch enough track cycling to "get it" I suppose.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So what we learn about Velon's Maths from the relegation of Sunweb is that they considered Trek's no-score on the climbing race as 14th (or possibly 13 1/2th). Still not sure what the mathematical grounds for that is, but it now makes no difference.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Are they doing the TTT as a series of head-to-heads, or are 8 teams starting at different points around the course and thus on course at the same time, or what's the deal?

Still don't understand Velon's plan here. I don't watch enough track cycling to "get it" I suppose.

8 teams start from the same place, at different times. Presumably already lined up alongside each other, as there is not enough time to populate start gates.

 

[kingjr]

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There is one problem I've noticed. As exciting as it might be, it lacks less because its a team competition. It might be good for the cyclists themselves. But how many fans actually support teams? I know I don't.

I think that makes no difference at all.

In a normal race if you support Quintana, you're automaticaly supporting Movistar. The same for Contador/Trek or Froome/Sky.

This is a fight for points, so it makes more sense to score has a team.

What do youe mean supporting? As in you hope the rider you like has strong helpers or that they end up high in the team ranking? Because I haven't ever been interested in that at all.

If you like a certain rider to win a certain race, it would be weird if you didn't want his team to do well in that same race. Supporting a specific rider, usually implies you also support the team, because the team is helping that rider win.

Imagine you want Contador to win the Tour, but at the same time, you don't want Trek to do well. That makes no sense.

That was not the question. And "not wanting to do a team well" was never the point.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So is this correct now for the start gaps?

Sky: 3rd (10") + 4th (8") = 18": treat that as a base: 18-18=0
Sunweb: 2nd (12") + 7th (4") -18=-2, - 30 =-32
Lotto S: 9th (2") + 2nd (12") -18= -4, -55= -59
Nippo Fantini 6th (5") + 5th (6") -18 = -7, -75 = -82
Movistar: 1st (15") + 12th (0") -18 = -3, -90 = -93
Cannondale: 10th (1") + 3 (10") -18 = -7, - 105 = -112
Orica: 4th (8") + 10th (1") -18 = -9, -120 = -129
LottoNL: 8th (3") + 6th (5") - 18 = -10, - 135 = -145

That's what I make it anyway: I have a feeling Velon will inexplicably come up with something different.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So is this correct now for the start gaps?

Sky: 3rd (10") + 4th (8") = 18": treat that as a base: 18-18=0
Sunweb: 2nd (12") + 7th (4") -18=-2, - 30 =-32
Lotto S: 9th (2") + 2nd (12") -18= -4, -55= -59
Nippo Fantini 6th (5") + 5th (6") -18 = -7, -75 = -82
Movistar: 1st (15") + 12th (0") -18 = -3, -90 = -93
Cannondale: 10th (1") + 3 (10") -18 = -7, - 105 = -112
Orica: 4th (8") + 10th (1") -18 = -9, -120 = -129
LottoNL: 8th (3") + 6th (5") - 18 = -10, - 135 = -145

That's what I make it anyway: I have a feeling Velon will inexplicably come up with something different.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So I guess Sky is winning? Although I haven't looked at the teams.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Are they doing the TTT as a series of head-to-heads, or are 8 teams starting at different points around the course and thus on course at the same time, or what's the deal?

Still don't understand Velon's plan here. I don't watch enough track cycling to "get it" I suppose.

8 teams start from the same place, at different times. Presumably already lined up alongside each other, as there is not enough time to populate start gates.

Thank you. I was originally thinking it had to all start from one location, but then seeing that some teams have only a few seconds between starts, was wondering how this is supposed to go off without a hitch.

Perhaps they won't start abreast like a normal TTT, but will start already sort of lined up in their single file planned order.

 

[wwabbit]

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Those time gaps are wrong, according to previously published criteria.

Sunweb: 2nd (12") + 5th (6") = 18": treat that as a base: 18-18=0
Sky: 3rd (10") + 4th (8")-18=0, - 30 =-30
Lotto S: 9th (2") + 2nd (12") -18= -4, -55= -59
Nippo Fantini 6th (5") + 6th (5") -18 = -8, -75 = -83
Movistar: 1st (15") + 12th (0") -18 = -3, -90 = -93
Cannondale: 10th (1") + 3 (10") -18 = -7, - 105 = -112
Orica: 4th (8") + 10th (1") -18 = -9, -120 = -129
Trek: nowhere, but apparently 14th (0") + 1st (15") - 18 = -3, - 135 = -138

So they seem to have everything outside the top 3 wrong, unless someone can point out my error.

Bonus timegap is relative to the team in front of you, not the leading team

 

[pablohidalgo7]

It´s funny but probably the best teams for tomorrow are the lasts (of the first half) in the GC, Lotto Jumbo (Van emden, Campenaerts, Boom) and Orica (Hepburn, Durbridge, Edmonson...) , can be an absolute chaos...

 

[hoolaparara]

You're not going to believe this but I found out the guys who designed this race also designed a car!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw9gaEiQAxY

 

[wwabbit]

Live now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkF0wd1hQZg

 

[Vasilis]

It looks pretty hilarious

 

[wwabbit]

Apparently the TT bikes of Bahrain Merida were stolen so they are doing this race in their road bikes

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

On-screen graphics have last year's Trek jersey.

 

[RedheadDane]

If I was Velon - I'm not - I'd have the TTT be a regular one next year. Both to avoid the issue of teams having to pass each other, which seem to happen quite frequently, and because to me part of the excitement of TTs (both I and T) is seeing the guy(s) in the hot-seat nervously await the other riders arrive.
Of course I'm not sure how it would work with the overall. Sure they could come up with something.

 

[Vasilis]

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If I was Velon - I'm not - I'd have the TTT be a regular one next year. Both to avoid the issue of teams having to pass each other, which seem to happen quite frequently, and because to me part of the excitement of TTs (both I and T) is seeing the guy(s) in the hot-seat nervously await the other riders arrive.
Of course I'm not sure how it would work with the overall. Sure they could come up with something.

This is more like a team pursuit than a TTT I think, but it's more than two teams riding and the laps are bigger.

 

[Vasilis]

It seems like you can't really prevent drafting.

 

[Inquitus]

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It seems like you can't really prevent drafting.

TT bunch sprint finish coming up!

 

[TommyGun]

Jeeeeesus, BMC, Trek and QST riding together, what a joke.

 

[Billie]

Why don't they form one big train with multiple teams and ride all the way to the front?

like quickstep and trek they should be working together to bring back bmc

 

[RedheadDane]

Let me see if I get this straight: The teams that are racing now are the ones not fighting for the overall?

 

[Andro]

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Jeeeeesus, BMC, Trek and QST riding together, what a joke.

It looks really hilarious.

 

[Vasilis]

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Let me see if I get this straight: The teams that are racing now are the ones not fighting for the overall?

Yes, again it's like track cycling, this is for the placings 9-16.

 

[Vroome.exe]

It's hilarious but I like it! TTT sprint is the best sprint.