Henao at the Giro

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuMzl64ckU

Seems like Uran will go for stage wins instead if what Cioni says is true, but I think he is just being diplomatic here .....it's clear that Uran has not been at his best since his crash. Good to see them target the white jersey with Henao, though...

 

[Winterfold]

So much to love in that pic of Henao and Uran

How is it possible for a man to weigh 60kg while having legs like Tyrannosaurus Rex and 2kg of mullet?

 

[Jan the Man]

Could you explain how making Henao work in a flat stage is a good idea or contributes anything at all? I mean, it's not even like Sky got desperate and thought if they didn't use Henao it wouldn't be a bunch sprint finish.

I agree to a point; I wouldn't have ordered it myself.

However those who watched cycling in the 90s will recall that working on the front didn't do Ullrich much harm in 96 and 97. I remember several occasions in each of those tours where he did time on the front for Zabel on flat stages, indeed on one particular stage he led Zabel out.

Heano isn't a realistic contender for the podium so it makes sense for Sky to go all out for stage wins. Let's face it, rightly or wrongly, another stage win by Cav will get much more mainstream media attention than a 7th place on GC and white jersey for Heano/Uran.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

On a Tuttobiciweb they asked Dario Cioni what they were expecting by the colombian duo, and while I thought he would point at Uran as their main guy, he answered that they are hoping to get the white jersey with Henao.

interesting. since uran can also get white. they probably think henao is better and so do I

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

So much to love in that pic of Henao and Uran

How is it possible for a man to weigh 60kg while having legs like Tyrannosaurus Rex and 2kg of mullet?

LOL

good description. colombians sure are a rare breed. they simply can all climb

check the legs of betancourt, guy in the left

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I agree to a point; I wouldn't have ordered it myself.

However those who watched cycling in the 90s will recall that working on the front didn't do Ullrich much harm in 96 and 97. I remember several occasions in each of those tours where he did time on the front for Zabel on flat stages, indeed on one particular stage he led Zabel out.

Heano isn't a realistic contender for the podium so it makes sense for Sky to go all out for stage wins. Let's face it, rightly or wrongly, another stage win by Cav will get much more mainstream media attention than a 7th place on GC and white jersey for Heano/Uran.

how can you compare the the 90s with now, when they were riding back then with blood thicker than cavendish's legs

 

[hrotha]

And on top of that, Ullrich was a monster. Working on the front didn't hurt his chances because he was the biggest talent of the era, but that doesn't mean it was a good idea.

Henao isn't a realistic contender for the podium? Maybe. Personally I don't think he will podium, but that doesn't mean he absolutely couldn't. The thing is that it's disrespectful. You sign a rider to see how far he can go in Europe, you take him to the Giro to see if he can win the white jersey or whatever (which probably entails at least a top 10), and then say "screw that, let's make him work for no gain whatsoever". Another Cav win is very important for Sky, of course, especially publicity-wise, but as I said it wasn't even a matter of "make Henao work, or there won't be a sprint".

I'm all for having new talents earn their spot and work their way up the team hierarchy, but in order to not be a moronic use of resources that would entail working for Urán, not for Cav. That would be respectful to the rider and his abilities.

Besides, in the long term, it's not very wise. The message they're sending is that they care more for Cav winning a stage than for anything else. It's a bit like the whole "winning the Tour with a Brit" thing. Good luck attracting foreign talent if you take that too far.

 

[Jan the Man]

And on top of that, Ullrich was a monster. Working on the front didn't hurt his chances because he was the biggest talent of the era, but that doesn't mean it was a good idea.

Henao isn't a realistic contender for the podium? Maybe. Personally I don't think he will podium, but that doesn't mean he absolutely couldn't. The thing is that it's disrespectful. You sign a rider to see how far he can go in Europe, you take him to the Giro to see if he can win the white jersey or whatever (which probably entails at least a top 10), and then say "screw that, let's make him work for no gain whatsoever". Another Cav win is very important for Sky, of course, especially publicity-wise, but as I said it wasn't even a matter of "make Henao work, or there won't be a sprint".

I'm all for having new talents earn their spot and work their way up the team hierarchy, but in order to not be a moronic use of resources that would entail working for Urán, not for Cav. That would be respectful to the rider and his abilities.

Besides, in the long term, it's not very wise. The message they're sending is that they care more for Cav winning a stage than for anything else. It's a bit like the whole "winning the Tour with a Brit" thing. Good luck attracting foreign talent if you take that too far.

I'm not saying that I agree with the decision, in fact I said I wouldn't have ordered itself. I also agree with a lot of what you say re attracting foreign riders.

I do not agree that it is disrespectful for Heano; it is after all his first GT. I didn't see footage of Uran on the front, so maybe they are thinking he should be the GC leader and are giving Heano a free reign so as there is no pressure on him to perform.

Ultimately, if he is strong when we get to stage 14 then the team work which he is providing now may be rewarded by the others taking a chance and riding for him in the mountains, whereas otherwise they may have ridden in the Gruppetto, or simply packed up and go home.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yeah I'm sure cav will help out henao in the final week

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

yeah I'm sure cav will help out henao in the final week

I can see him now dragging the Sky team up the dolomites

 

[bassplayer88]

yeah I'm sure cav will help out henao in the final week

I think Jan is referring to some of the more all-round domo's on the team. Henao helping them with their job in the first couple of weeks...

 

[Jan the Man]

I think Jan is referring to some of the more all-round domo's on the team. Henao helping them with their job in the first couple of weeks...

Exactly- specifically Kennaugh, Flecha, Thomas, and to a lesser extend Stannard.

 

[will10]

yeah I'm sure cav will help out henao in the final week

He'll be in the teamcars dishing out bottles

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'm not saying that I agree with the decision, in fact I said I wouldn't have ordered itself. I also agree with a lot of what you say re attracting foreign riders.

I do not agree that it is disrespectful for Heano; it is after all his first GT. I didn't see footage of Uran on the front, so maybe they are thinking he should be the GC leader and are giving Heano a free reign so as there is no pressure on him to perform.

That's not what they're thinking anymore if Cioni's words are any indication. According to him, Uran will now focus on stage wins instead, which would be easier if he doesn't target GC anymore, as he points out. Henao, on the other hand, would be the GC leader.

 

[ruswilks]

yeah I'm sure cav will help out henao in the final week

He worked on the front in Romandie and has already been shown on TV doing bottle duty this Giro...

 

[will10]

He worked on the front in Romandie and has already been shown on TV doing bottle duty this Giro...

Cav is going home before Cervinia so how can he help in the 3rd week.

 

[Fetisoff]

Aha... This is yet another Cav thread now. Well it's OK, I guess, not like we have too many of them on the forum... Oh wait...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

He worked on the front in Romandie and has already been shown on TV doing bottle duty this Giro...

wow!


...........

 

[The Hitch]

LOL

good description. colombians sure are a rare breed. they simply can all climb

check the legs of betancourt, guy in the left

I'd expect you of all people to know that its Betancur not Betancourt.

The surname Betancourt also exists in Colombia, but in Antioquia where Carlos Alberto is from, Betancur is more common.

 

[hrotha]

I'd expect you of all people to know that its Betancur not Betancourt.

The surname Betancourt also exists in Colombia, but in Antioquia where Carlos Alberto is from, Betancur is more common.

I'd like to know what's in his passport and how he writes it himself, because both "Betancur" and "Betancourt" are common when referring to him.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I read different names in all different colombia media so it's hart to know what is right. but it seems betancurt indeed

 

[The Hitch]

I'd like to know what's in his passport and how he writes it himself, because both "Betancur" and "Betancourt" are common when referring to him.

I read different names in all different colombia media so it's hart to know what is right. but it seems betancurt indeed

The main Colombian newspapaer - El Tiempo from Bogota. has Betancur

http://www.eltiempo.com/noticias/carlos-betancur

The main Medellín newspaper, and hence Antioqueno newspaper (region where Carlos Alberto is from) - El Colombiano has Betancur

http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoCo...sta_antioqueno_gano_giro_de_emilia_italia.asp

I see El Espectador use Betancourt, but they are from Bogota, where that surname is more common (eg that Woman who was kidnapped by FARC).

Interestingly Aqua e Sapone seem confused.
They have another variation - Betancour without the t
http://www.abruzzoteam.com/betancour-gomez-carlos-alberto

But in news articles its Betancur
http://www.abruzzoteam.com/di-luca-...o-del-trentino-garzelli-fermato-dallinfluenza

cq has betancur though,

Oh and revistamundo ciclista
http://revistamundociclistico.com/r...general-jimmy-engoulvent-sigue-al-frente.html

so it seems betancur is 90% the answer.

Which makes sense as former President Betlisario Betancur is from the same area.

 

[cineteq]

so it seems betancur is 90% the answer.

Which makes sense as former President Betlisario Betancur is from the same area.

Makes a lot of sense, an evolution French to Spanish

 

[will10]

Betancur is the new Gonchar

 

[jens_attacks]

so betoncaurt it is...lol who cares?the kid is a beast no matter what