Henao at the Giro

[Ryo Hazuki]

are you kidding me? the guy is from colombia. the man did the letras of over 80 km 3700 metres of altitude difference. in colombia these european climbs are nothing. but in colombia he suffered hard in the long steep climbs like la linea. he would lose minutes to the real climbers there in colombia. europe is different though as the level of real climbing is lower. but the stelvio should be no problem as it isn't toop steep. still he wasted energys though by stupid sky tactics that I hope won't break him up

also the recuperation should be no problem. I have yet to ever see a colombian that isn't great in the third week. they all come from altitude

 

[Michele Scarred Pony]

are you kidding me? the guy is from colombia. the man did the letras of over 80 km 3700 metres of altitude difference. in colombia these european climbs are nothing. but in colombia he suffered hard in the long steep climbs like la linea. he would lose minutes to the real climbers there in colombia. europe is different though as the level of real climbing is lower. but the stelvio should be no problem as it isn't toop steep. still he wasted energys though by stupid sky tactics that I hope won't break him up

also the recuperation should be no problem. I have yet to ever see a colombian that isn't great in the third week. they all come from altitude

Lol, I thought you were being serious at first.

 

[Froome19]

Lol, I thought you were being serious at first.

Who are you....

Anyway Ryo, we will see but I have a feeling Henao may have to adapt to climbing such long and tough climbs as a GC contender, it is a whole different kettle of fish...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Who are you....

Anyway Ryo, we will see but I have a feeling Henao may have to adapt to climbing such long and tough climbs as a GC contender, it is a whole different kettle of fish...

Uhm, you can disagree with Ryo about a lot of things, and you would be right.
But not this

These Colombians are used to much longer climbs than this, also fighting for GC and stagewins. Stelvio is a laughable climb compared to what you get in Colombia, they have climbs of 40km to 3500m altitude lol

 

[Froome19]

Uhm, you can disagree with Ryo about a lot of things, and you would be right.
But not this

These Colombians are used to much longer climbs than this, also fighting for GC and stagewins. Stelvio is a laughable climb compared to what you get in Colombia, they have climbs of 40km to 3500m altitude lol

Never knew that, I thought it was Ryo exagerating

 

[Von Mises]

are you kidding me? the guy is from colombia. the man did the letras of over 80 km 3700 metres of altitude difference. in colombia these european climbs are nothing. but in colombia he suffered hard in the long steep climbs like la linea. he would lose minutes to the real climbers there in colombia. europe is different though as the level of real climbing is lower. but the stelvio should be no problem as it isn't toop steep. still he wasted energys though by stupid sky tactics that I hope won't break him up

also the recuperation should be no problem. I have yet to ever see a colombian that isn't great in the third week. they all come from altitude

You cannot make so direct comparisons. In Europe climbs maybe be easier, but racing in general is harder. And btw, Colombian climbs are long, but gradients do not seem to steep. For instance, you call la linea steep, but it is actaully pretty similar to Ventoux and Stelvio and less stee than Mortirolo for instance...

 

[Gloin22]

I don't have the profile but I remembered it posted here for Volta Colombia I think. A stage only 70km long, but it was only climbing, a freaking 70km long mountain. Most epic profile I've seen

 

[will10]

Lol, I thought you were being serious at first.

Another sockpuppet, how dull.

 

[El Pistolero]

Uhm, you can disagree with Ryo about a lot of things, and you would be right.
But not this

These Colombians are used to much longer climbs than this, also fighting for GC and stagewins. Stelvio is a laughable climb compared to what you get in Colombia, they have climbs of 40km to 3500m altitude lol

The real level of climbing in Europe isn't lower though, but higher. It's not like the best climbers for Europe just lined up to participate in this year's Giro d'Italia.

 

[will10]

I don't have the profile but I remembered it posted here for Volta Colombia I think. A stage only 70km long, but it was only climbing, a freaking 70km long mountain. Most epic profile I've seen

They are doing Letras this year I think Last time they used this stage there were huuuuge gaps...

1. BOTERO ECHEVERRY Santiago UOT 4h48'12"
2. ORTEGA RAMIREZ Mauricio - 03'40"
3. BUENAHORA GUTIERREZ Hernan - 05'18"
4. CASTELBLANCO ROMERO Jose Joaquin - 07'03"
5. OCHOA PLAZAS Israel Antonio - 07'04"
6. DELGADO ORTEGA Yeison Rogelio - 07'26"
7. SIERRA PEÑA Alvaro - 08'19"
8. RODRIGUEZ ORTIZ Jackson Jesus - 13'17"
9. NIÑO CORREDOR Victor - 14'31"

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Surely Letras must be one of the hardest climbs in the world?

 

[Von Mises]

They are doing Letras this year I think Last time they used this stage there were huuuuge gaps...

1. BOTERO ECHEVERRY Santiago UOT 4h48'12"
2. ORTEGA RAMIREZ Mauricio - 03'40"
3. BUENAHORA GUTIERREZ Hernan - 05'18"
4. CASTELBLANCO ROMERO Jose Joaquin - 07'03"
5. OCHOA PLAZAS Israel Antonio - 07'04"
6. DELGADO ORTEGA Yeison Rogelio - 07'26"
7. SIERRA PEÑA Alvaro - 08'19"
8. RODRIGUEZ ORTIZ Jackson Jesus - 13'17"
9. NIÑO CORREDOR Victor - 14'31"

If past his best Botero (who in Europe was never the best climber) can put minutes into others, is it really good sign about difficulty of the climb?

 

[Jakob747]

he's definitely not good on long steep climbs. I also predicted last year already he would finish podium in his first giro/gt ever. pampeage will be hard for him though.

As I said Henao is good on ALL types of climbs. Pampeago shouldn't be any different!

On this one I think we have to agree to disagree.

Henao suffered climbing-wise in 2011 (In Colombia). But normally he doesn't have any problems what-so ever. Not on La Linea either! In 2010 he was second over La Linea. In 2008 he played cat and mouse with Fabio Duarte all the way up (Great show) only little Arley Montoya jumped them, but Henao crossed La Linea second Duarte third.

He has also been very strong on Alto del Salvador in the past. That's a hard climb too, pitches up too around 20%.

 

[hrotha]

If past his best Botero (who in Europe was never the best climber) can put minutes into others, is it really good sign about difficulty of the climb?

The climb is hard alright, the problem is the level of the field in that particular stage.

 

[Von Mises]

The climb is hard alright, the problem is the level of the field in that particular stage.

Sure, climb is hard, but my larger point is that it is oversimplifications to compare climbs directly (as Ryo always does). For Rujano for instance Pian dei Resinelli couple of days ago probably felt much harder than any Colombian climb he has ever ridden...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Never knew that, I thought it was Ryo exagerating

wtf man. you know the andes mountains? :facepalm: they are a lot higher than the alps

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If past his best Botero (who in Europe was never the best climber) can put minutes into others, is it really good sign about difficulty of the climb?

botero was the best ever in 2006 and 2007. also the reason he won that stage was because of horrible weather and incredible downhil.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

As I said Henao is good on ALL types of climbs. Pampeago shouldn't be any different!

On this one I think we have to agree to disagree.

Henao suffered climbing-wise in 2011 (In Colombia). But normally he doesn't have any problems what-so ever. Not on La Linea either! In 2010 he was second over La Linea. In 2008 he played cat and mouse with Fabio Duarte all the way up (Great show) only little Arley Montoya jumped them, but Henao crossed La Linea second Duarte third.

He has also been very strong on Alto del Salvador in the past. That's a hard climb too, pitches up too around 20%.

in 2010 henao was at least 4 kg lighter than he is now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Sure, climb is hard, but my larger point is that it is oversimplifications to compare climbs directly (as Ryo always does). For Rujano for instance Pian dei Resinelli couple of days ago probably felt much harder than any Colombian climb he has ever ridden...

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[Ryo Hazuki]

You cannot make so direct comparisons. In Europe climbs maybe be easier, but racing in general is harder. And btw, Colombian climbs are long, but gradients do not seem to steep. For instance, you call la linea steep, but it is actaully pretty similar to Ventoux and Stelvio and less stee than Mortirolo for instance...

colombian climbs are unregular. they have very steep parts in them. besides linea is at 3000+ metres. ventoux is at 2000+ HUGE difference

 

[gustavoduncan]

sometimes heano has been really strong in long climbs like in the 2010 vuelta he won and the 2010 clasico rcn he was second, as weel in last year in tour of utah. but sometimes he fails in long and steep mountain like last year ITT to santa elena (not very steep) and clasico rcn in la linea.

here is the profile of salvador, where he did a great performance in 2010 clasico rcn:

and here is the profile of santa elena, where he failed:

i interviewed santiago botero last week and he admited that henao need to lose weight if he pretend to win a GT. however he was really optimistic about the recomendations of Sky doctors and managers. actually he made a joke on wiggins weight

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yes sky are notorious in letting riders lose weight. however henao is build as a sprinter. but looking at betancourt now he can go very far though. betancourt had/has legs thicker than cavendish and he lost a lot this winter and is climbing like a madman

they also need to seriously work henao's itt

 

[jens_attacks]

i interviewed santiago botero last week and he admited that henao need to lose weight if he pretend to win a GT. however he was really optimistic about the recomendations of Sky doctors and managers. actually he made a joke on wiggins weight

i always said to ryo that henao will be in good hands.hell he might even have the chance to work with that guy which made the aussies swim like the sharks and wiggins climb like alberto coming july if not,bobby julich will be enough

let's give some time to sergio even if it won't be a surprise to me if he gets on the final podium.i watched that ascent from piani de resinelli and the level is low,he was the second best of the day there.basso almost couldn't hang on with him and michele.you never know.

tomorrow should tell us a lot,i really can't see him fading away.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he can really blow in steep climbs though because of his heavy gears. other than that he's an incredibly consistant rider with very high base level.

 

[jens_attacks]

he can really blow in steep climbs though because of his heavy gears. other than that he's an incredibly consistant rider with very high base level.

i know that he can blow big time but i really can't see a single guy this giro giving him that big crack...look how they are riding...