"HGH: Myth and Reality"

[Hitchey]

That was hilarious Dr!!!

 

[Benotti69]

Surely the Riccó quote should be - "i nearly died when i tried the bargains"

Still great though.

 

[Granville57]

That's a keeper, Doc!

 

[The Hitch]

You can see that a lot of effort and thought went into that post (from DM)

 

[Merckx index]

LMAO, Maz. Humor is the best medicine, even better than PEDs.

 

[rolfrae]

Well after this and Sinkerwitz positive recently I better reduce my prices.

Priceless!

 

[Berzin]

Props to you, Dr. Maserati!!!

That was an awesome post!!!

 

[Paco_P]

"HGH is no more effective than orange juice." -- Dr. Ferrari.

But it's sale is lucrative too.

 

[soulor]

Also see:

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/6/1543.abstract

I agree, however the perception of the benefit is there and sometimes that can be enough for people to abuse it. Also i don't know how true this is, but I have read this in some scientific articles:


Other sources state that it is not the HGH in itself that is so beneficial, but it is the HGH in combination with other doping products that provide for the greater benefit.



http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG5-4WJ91KM-2&_user=499882&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1719254852&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000024498&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=499882&md5=a39ee2693781317825fc3a77f24b7c1f&searchtype=a#secx11

 

[L'arriviste]

Dr Maserati: polite, wise and funny. Brilliant!

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

To say HgH isn't effective by people who know nothing about it and then use studies quoted by Dr. Ferrari is absolutely hilarious.

HgH lets you train at a higher threshold on a daily basis because it all but removes the muscle soreness from training that all athletes feel. This is not anecdotal, this is real.

Anone who thinks it makes little to no difference as applied to cycling either doesn't know what they're talking about or is pursuing an agenda.

Another point-this is just in time. Let's have Ferrari downplay PED use to strengthen up "the myth", who despite being doped with every substance known to man, was still the most talented and hardest-working rider in the peloton.

Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.

The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.

HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.

 

[Race Radio]

Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.

The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.

HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.

Also recovery, very important to a cyclist

 

[Rip:30]

Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.

The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.

HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.

Both of these articles are irrelevant to Pro Cycling, try looking at HGH effects on people training 20+ hours a week for months on end.

"Recreational" and "fit" individuals (VO2m = 50, lol), are not applying a training stress beyond what is repairable by most healthy individuals.

136 articles but you missed the most important variable.

 

[Berzin]

Whenever anyone says "I've read articles that say..." and go on to use said articles exclusively as evidence to believe something that's patently not true, I tend to disregard their opinion as being extremely biased due to the fact that said poster probably has an agenda.

All the articles in the world won't tell you what you need to know. Just ask any cyclist who's used the stuff and if they're being honest, they'll tell you exactly why the stuff is so popular amongst the pro and amateur cycling ranks.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Also recovery, very important to a cyclist

Two things.

1. Recovery is one of those areas where tiny benefits over a period of time add up, practically speaking a kind of geometric progression. One day, versus one week the differences are negligible. 30 days with an uninterrupted training schedule and some HGH and I think you would see measurable differences in Watts/Kilo versus the clean rider. Especially if the HGH is cutting weight. Following my Watts/Kilo has shown me that minor changes to weight affect the ratio radically.

2. I think there may be more muddying the doping picture in that some valid points made in this forum will be used as an excuse. The simplest example is "Doping doesn't make a mule into a thoroughbred." Carefully select some valid anti-doping snippets out of this forum and use the fanboy network to spread them. It would be nice for golf

 

[Barrus]

Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.

The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.

HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.

Out of your own sources:
lee:

Few studies evaluated athletic performance. Growth hormone protocols in the studies may not reflect real-world doses and regimens.

Meinhardt et al:

Growth hormone dosage may have been lower than that used covertly by competitive athletes. The athletic significance of the observed improvements in sprint capacity is unclear

 

[JPM London]

136 articles but you missed the most important variable.

Ouch!

You just made me smile, thanks...