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Hinault Taking a Shot at Armstrong

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So who gives a **** about what Hinault says...about anybody! Take it for the entertainment value. And this is Armstrong's problem, he can't take crticism. The Italians accused him of leading the protest in Milan, Armstrong boycotts the Italian press. Lemond questions his relationship with Dr. Ferrari, Armstrong brands him as a jealous whiner. Simeoni tells the truth, the sole truth and nothing but the truth, Armstrong insults and makes a mockery of him.

The great thing about Hinault, though, is that Armstrong just can't **** on him like everybody else. I want to see a brawl on the Tour posium this year, with various insults in English and French to boot!:D
 
rhubroma said:
So who gives a **** about what Hinault says...about anybody! Take it for the entertainment value. And this is Armstrong's problem, he can't take crticism. The Italians accused him of leading the protest in Milan, Armstrong boycotts the Italian press. Lemond questions his relationship with Dr. Ferrari, Armstrong brands him as a jealous whiner. Simeoni tells the truth, the sole truth and nothing but the truth, Armstrong insults and makes a mockery of him.

Armstrong has a narcissistic personality disorder. The dude has serious problems.
 

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I smell a rat........... methinks this is just the beginning. Hinault is in on this with Armstrong. Build enough French resentment to make the story even more overblown than it already is. July is just going to be one long Armstrong media fest and now Hinault and ASO are buying into it as they know everyone stands to benefit from it. To the Armstrong fanboys who eat this stuff up - you're man is taking you for a ride.

As I perused the papershop this morning I thought about purchasing one of the Tour de France guides as I like to keep the route map of each stage near the TV. Not this year. Of the three guides published each of them has a front cover with the line "Armstrong Comeback - Can he win again ?" No mention of any other cyclist. Give me a break.
 
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We need more, many more, racers that attacked like Hinault. Whenever anyone takes a flyer now days we call them reckless, foolish, as we watch everyone safely ride with each other to the last 5k of every mountain stage. But Hinault would go for it anywhere, and anytime he saw a weakness. Sometimes he blew up and lost because of it, but more often than not he won. What a great champion he was.

Great photos of Bob and Max, btw. Hilarious. :p

Here, here. But 80's styel cycling, to me, was the golden age because it was the beginings of modern cycling with still, however, the appeal of the old school . That's when you still could be reckless! By contrast today, all we get is super trained martians with radios in the ears, jacked on god knows what, going at ridiculous speeds where not even a super strong rider can do anything but try to gain a little time at the end of a wicked hard mountain stage. They've scientifically perfected training, race corespondence between riders and coaches, doping, tactics, "the train," to say nothing of the aero and light weight equipment, etc...but there's no damn romance in the sport anymore! They've just killed it and, to me, Armstrong and Bruyneelhave gone the furthest in this annihilation than anybody else with their corporate riding style. Long gone are the days of the Badger and Kelly and the first lycra!! and leather helmets, toe clips, cycling caps and normal eyeware! Not even that, there's not even any more normal ****ing eyeware these days!!!
 
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Here, here. But 80's styel cycling, to me, was the golden age because it was the beginings of modern cycling with still, however, the appeal of the old school . That's when you still could be reckless! By contrast today, all we get is super trained martians with radios in the ears, jacked on god knows what, going at ridiculous speeds where not even a super strong rider can do anything but try to gain a little time at the end of a wicked hard mountain stage. They've scientifically perfected training, race corespondence between riders and coaches, doping, tactics, "the train," to say nothing of the aero and light weight equipment, etc...but there's no damn romance in the sport anymore! They've just killed it and, to me, Armstrong and Bruyneelhave gone the furthest in this annihilation than anybody else with their corporate riding style. Long gone are the days of the Badger and Kelly and the first lycra!! and leather helmets, toe clips, cycling caps and normal eyeware! Not even that, there's not even any more normal ****ing eyeware these days!!!

+1 freakin' million.
 

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rhubroma said:
Here, here. But 80's styel cycling, to me, was the golden age because it was the beginings of modern cycling with still, however, the appeal of the old school ......

Could it also be suggested thats it the Golden Age of cycling because it the its your first memories of cycling ? How do you know the 40’s weren’t the golden age. Stupid post by a stupid person.
 
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Here, here. But 80's styel cycling, to me, was the golden age because it was the beginings of modern cycling with still, however, the appeal of the old school . That's when you still could be reckless! By contrast today, all we get is super trained martians with radios in the ears, jacked on god knows what, going at ridiculous speeds where not even a super strong rider can do anything but try to gain a little time at the end of a wicked hard mountain stage. They've scientifically perfected training, race corespondence between riders and coaches, doping, tactics, "the train," to say nothing of the aero and light weight equipment, etc...but there's no damn romance in the sport anymore! They've just killed it and, to me, Armstrong and Bruyneelhave gone the furthest in this annihilation than anybody else with their corporate riding style. Long gone are the days of the Badger and Kelly and the first lycra!! and leather helmets, toe clips, cycling caps and normal eyeware! Not even that, there's not even any more normal ****ing eyeware these days!!!

So, it appears Rhubroma is actually the Badger's script writer. Excellent!

Can't understand why Armstrong would get so upset at someone wanting Contador to beat him at the Tour. Isn't that what is supposed to happen to a domestique?:rolleyes:
 
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I thought that interview was a hoot. Love Hinault's shoot from the hip style. Didn't hold anything back, on anyone, including candid comments on his own countrymen, which were more scathing than what he said about Lance as I read it.

Most of all absolutely loved his comments on radios. So true.


Totally agree! Hinault's assault on his own countrymen would suggest there's no anti-Armstrong/pro French agenda.

We need more colourful, outspoken commentators like Hinault. He's been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Respect, mon ami!!
 
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Question and pardon my ignorance, I try and read as much as I can, and I have been following cycling properly since 2004: How where these great performances (like winning 7 Paris-Nices in a row, the Giro-Tour double) by guys like Hinault, Kelly etc. they are considered to be 'clean' so to speak and yet any good rider who puts out a good result, or riding very well are considered 'super jacked'. What is different here? How is it possible to ride well (and put out magical performances) and be considered clean in the '80's but not now in this generation?

I know bikes have changed, tatics, training etc. It still takes a good effort to try and drop the bunch on the Poggio now as it did in the 80's. Sorry it isn't the easiest thing to word it right so I hope it is pretty clear and I'm trying to challenge rhubroma who (to me anywya) implied that cyclists in the 80's were clean and these guys are all 'super jacked'. But it is human though, if you have good memories of something, or looking back it seems a lot better so you have rose tinted glasses or a biased view of how things really were.
 
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Love him, hate him. Agree with him or not. It is great to have him say the things he has and great the way he says them. These sort of things are always good for a discussion.
 
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Yeah... I wish Lance would give out his power files to Lemond AND Hinault... That would be great! Somehow, if those two talented past freaks could team up and go after Lance.
 
Hinault was just before my time following cycling but from what I have heard and read about 'the badger', he was an arrogant, egomaniac who bullied other riders into submission. The one rider I have always thought most similar to 'the Badger' was Lance so I think this whole thing is quite funny. Hinault v Lance, mega di** v mega pr***. This is just normal stuff from Hinault, he just criticised the one guy who can never ever take criticism of any sort.

Hinault has laid into the French riders so many times its unreal so its definitely not just against Lance.

Hinault was never popular with the other riders, he had their respect due to his achievements but was universally hated by most and even the French fans had an indifferent approach to his arrogant ways until he crashed in the 85 Tour and became more humane in their eyes.

Likewise, Lance wasnt exactly popular with many riders either before cancer or indeed after although his fame somewhat negated the negativity. As someone poninted out, it would be great to see these two toe-to-toe at the Tour.
 
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This is a big popular forum... NO DOUBT Lance is on the forum with a username. He has admitted that much (being on message boards).....

Hinault is NOT ONLY pis$ed that Lance got the TTT put back in to the Tour, but the fact that Lemond physically WENT to lances press conference in Las vegas and told them to total blood volume (total body hemoglobin) test Lance with C02 gas inhalation to stop him from blood doping with his own blood. The UCI has basicall laughed and ignored this and the average fan who knows nothing about power completely ignored Lemonds comment on tracking Lances power.

The TTT favors teams with BIG MONEY, fancy toys and crypto freezers to store their frozen packed red cells to blood dope with immediately before a super important stage like the TTT... And the knowledge and know-how to store their red cells properly to keep rectics alive and have it look normal on the passport.... Damn$t anyway... Bernard is pis$ed at Lance for being a *** and corrupting the system in his favor... and trying to BUY the F-ing TDF from the ASO. What an **$! :( Lemond is too much of a pussy to follow up anyways. :(
 
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This is a big popular forum... NO DOUBT Lance is on the forum with a username. He has admitted that much (being on message boards).....

Hinault is NOT ONLY ****ed that Lance got the TTT put back in to the Tour, but the fact that Lemond physically WENT to lances press conference in Las vegas and told them to total blood volume (total body hemoglobin) test Lance with C02 gas inhalation to stop him from blood doping with his own blood. The UCI has basicall laughed and ignored this and the average fan who knows nothing about power completely ignored Lemonds comment on tracking Lances power.

The TTT favors teams with BIG MONEY, fancy toys and crypto freezers to store their frozen packed red cells to blood dope with immediately before a super important stage like the TTT... Bernard is ****ed at Lance for being a *** and corrupting the system in his favor... and trying to BUY the F-ing TDF from the ASO. What an ***! :( Lemond is too much of a pussy to follow up anyways. :(

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whiteboytrash said:
Could it also be suggested thats it the Golden Age of cycling because it the its your first memories of cycling ? How do you know the 40’s weren’t the golden age. Stupid post by a stupid person.

Can we all be a bit more civil and avoid the needless name calling? We can argue and agree to disagree without making it personal.
 
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rapistwit said:
Yeah really. Does he need a twitter account to whine?

Even if you are a huge fan of Lance... Or Lance himself let me just get this out...

Hinault wants to see every team with talented riders have a shot! Not every team can get a packed refill (500cc of pure red cells) before the TTT and ride completely JACKED with a 57% bloody crit... Or for any key stage. Also, Lances natural V02 max now is 78-80... EVERYBODY talented riders can all get this...

If Lance had to ride the Tour clean against other clean riders he wouldnt stand an F-ing chance in hell agains Basso and Contador who have clean V02 maxes 10 points higher... He'd probably not be top 30 places even with adrenocorticotrophic hormone, HGH, insulin and 02 carriers....

WHAT A JOKE! And yet Lance is rated in the top 10 alongside Hinault, Merckx, Coppi, true freaks of nature. What a disgrace!!
 
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rapistwit said:
Hinault is the ****er in this particular incident.

whiteboytrash said:
As I perused the papershop this morning I thought about purchasing one of the Tour de France guides as I like to keep the route map of each stage near the TV. Not this year. Of the three guides published each of them has a front cover with the line "Armstrong Comeback - Can he win again ?" No mention of any other cyclist. Give me a break.
The Vélo Magazine has not a mention or photo of Armstrong on the cover for its TdF guide.
 
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If Armstrong did that he'd be accused of being a vindictive megalomaniacal ***.

Armstrong only does that when the rider up the road is either clean and talking about it, or the rider has discussed the ethical problem of Mr Armstrong's relationship with Dr Ferrari. I am sure you can see the difference.
 
Polemice is one thing, but publicly calling a respected member of the cycling pantheon a juan-coeur* is beyond the pale. He really should retract.

* Better than a load of stupid, censoring asterisks.
 
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Hinault is an *** hole, and here is where the double standard makes an appearance if armstrong did this, basically called out americans, and said that american pros r soft and need somebody to hit them in the mouth, then said to contador if I was in my prime you couldn't hold the towel that I use to wipe down my groin after i beat you. Then criticizes one of his old teammates for being tactically deficient, we would be on this forum saying that he should keep his mouth shut and stay out of cycling, and that somebody needs to sow his mouth shut. I agree with bernard in one thing though armstrong is a whiner we all know that but the fact is you are a legend one of the best of all time, when you open your mouth you should be giving advice not criticizing the sport. I might be a little biased in this as I am a lemond fan
 

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Hinault is an *** hole, and here is where the double standard makes an appearance if armstrong did this, basically called out americans, and said that american pros r soft and need somebody to hit them in the mouth, then said to contador if I was in my prime you couldn't hold the towel that I use to wipe down my groin after i beat you. Then criticizes one of his old teammates for being tactically deficient, we would be on this forum saying that he should keep his mouth shut and stay out of cycling, and that somebody needs to sow his mouth shut. I agree with bernard in one thing though armstrong is a whiner we all know that but the fact is you are a legend one of the best of all time, when you open your mouth you should be giving advice not criticizing the sport. I might be a little biased in this as I am a lemond fan

Mate I'm with you. It’s outrageous to think that a rider other than Armstrong would speak his mind. Scandalous.
 
whiteboytrash said:
Could it also be suggested thats it the Golden Age of cycling because it the its your first memories of cycling ? How do you know the 40’s weren’t the golden age. Stupid post by a stupid person.

I always said that was my perspective, not an objestive reality...now who's the stupid person?:p

PS. I stand by my analysis (between the 80's and today). Sure, the forties may have been great but too much WOOL.:cool:And you know what, somebody that has no sense of irony whatsoever is a friggin wast of time.