Hincapie confession?

[Benotti69]

This is about the point in the thread where someone says he was only a 1 on the bio-passport list so i'll say it Might not mean much but its not as if he was a 7, say.

With what we know about riders being protected by UCI, nope it doesn't meant much.

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

I thought it was general consenus that George stopped doping once he joined High Road? Now, everyone seems to be calling him a liar. And convenient time to retire? Regardless of the USADA case, he would have likely retired this year, anyway. The guy's been a pro for 20 years!

 

[Maxiton]

No sorry, not buying into that. He finished 17 TdFs the last one this year aged 39. He finished 19th Overall Tour de France in 2009 at 36 for a guy who was a classics specialist!

Doping didn't end in 2006 and I am sure Hincapie did enough to keep getting a job.

As for his anti-doping bit, amazing how no one has come out on the internet and talked about all the good he has done

It would be naive to think he stopped doping altogether (though he may have), but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he refused to take things to the Lance-level, or anywhere near it - especially given that he seemed to be LA's only designated heir, and could have made a fortune in that role, but instead faltered (or so it appeared).

 

[Echoes]

Perfect !

Impanis and Knaven are still the record holders for most Paris-Roubaix finished.

 

[Benotti69]

It would be naive to think he stopped doping altogether (though he may have), but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he refused to to think he took things to the Lance-level, or anywhere near it - especially given that he seemed to be LA's only designated heir, and could have made a fortune in that role, but instead faltered (or so it appeared).

No i guess he knows Armstrong better than anyone in the peloton and probably knew what was coming to the next guy trying to fill Armstrongs shoes, see Landis for that!

But I doubt he stopped the doping. His performances at the TdF were super dom for Cav and others and that needs PEDs in the modern era.

 

[Arnout]

It would be naive to think he stopped doping altogether (though he may have), but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he refused to take things to the Lance-level, or anywhere near it - especially given that he seemed to be LA's only designated heir, and could have made a fortune in that role, but instead faltered (or so it appeared).

Indeed. Of course we never know for sure, but he went back to the rider you would expect him to be in the later stages of his career, strong on the flat, but not able to compete for a win anywhere else.

 

[BroDeal]

I thought it was general consenus that George stopped doping once he joined High Road? Now, everyone seems to be calling him a liar. And convenient time to retire? Regardless of the USADA case, he would have likely retired this year, anyway. The guy's been a pro for 20 years!

Hincapie could have continued with Bruyneel. Instead he went to Highroad. He could have gone to Astana instead of BMC.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I thought it was general consenus that George stopped doping once he joined High Road? Now, everyone seems to be calling him a liar. And convenient time to retire? Regardless of the USADA case, he would have likely retired this year, anyway. The guy's been a pro for 20 years!

Everytime you use HGH, Testosterone, EPO and others they shut down the bodies natural production of these hormones. After you use them enough you have to take them for the rest of your life.

His performance would have to plummet severely for at least six months and then slowly creep back up, he might never have used in Lance doses but I don't believe he was clean from 2006.

 

[Arnout]

Hincapie does have a cycling apparel company, and the factory is in Colombia.

Third world labor and First world profits. Plus salary, bonuses, investments and endorsement deals.

It all adds up if you're smart with your money.

Third world Ever been to Colombia?

 

[Maxiton]

No i guess he knows Armstrong better than anyone in the peloton and probably knew what was coming to the next guy trying to fill Armstrongs shoes, see Landis for that!

But I doubt he stopped the doping. His performances at the TdF were super dom for Cav and others and that needs PEDs in the modern era.

That's a fair point. He might have known that the scorpion would be bad news if he jumped on its back for a ride across the river.

Edit: Oops. Looks like I misunderestimated the metaphor. Anyway, you get my point.

 

[Benotti69]

Hincapie could have continued with Bruyneel. Instead he went to Highroad. He could have gone to Astana instead of BMC.

And he probably also saw the Sugar Honey Ice Tea piling up against Armstrong and the eventual train wreck coming.

No doubt Hincapie is suprised it took so long!

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think Hincapie lied. If he lied to USADA, he lied to the feds--with a felony on the line. Can't see it.

And the idea that Hincapie lied when he said he didn't dope on the 2006 team is ENTIRELY unbelievable to me. Think about who knows the truth about that team ...

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I don't think Hincapie lied. If he lied to USADA, he lied to the feds--with a felony on the line. Can't see it.

And the idea that Hincapie lied when he said he didn't dope on the 2006 team is ENTIRELY unbelievable to me. Think about who knows the truth about that team ...

The Novitsky investigation was primarily interested in the use of tax payer funds at US postal, I don't think they asked George about much beyond 2006.

USADA needed George to an extent mainly in case Armstrong went to arbitration so I don't think they are going to grill him too harshly.

 

[nodisco]

Hi assmunch

I don't buy this tripe he is saying about doing it for the good of the sport. He only did it when the feds had him backed into a corner and he had nowhere to go. Watch Leipheimer play this card as well.

Do you know what it takes to make a stand... Let alone against a 'supposed' friend? I bet not I support all cyclists who did, be it vol. OR forced! Do not pull our efforts for clean cycling backward by posting b*ll****!

 

[Benotti69]

I don't think Hincapie lied. If he lied to USADA, he lied to the feds--with a felony on the line. Can't see it.

And the idea that Hincapie lied when he said he didn't dope on the 2006 team is ENTIRELY unbelievable to me. Think about who knows the truth about that team ...

Hincapie was asked about USPS.

This is why truth and reconcilliation would not work, even when Hincapie had the chance to tell all he hasn't. Idiot, so much for loving cycling.

 

[Maxiton]

Hincapie was asked about USPS.

This is why truth and reconcilliation would not work, even when Hincapie had the chance to tell all he hasn't. Idiot, so much for loving cycling.

How exactly do you know what he was asked? Unless you have a copy of the transcript, you don't know.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Hincapie was asked about USPS.

This is why truth and reconcilliation would not work, even when Hincapie had the chance to tell all he hasn't. Idiot, so much for loving cycling.

The coming weeks and months will be revealing, I'd like to see Hincapie try to substantiate his claim that he was clean from 2006 with science and not spin and PR moves.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

How exactly do you know what he was asked? Unless you have a copy of the transcript, you don't know.

He might have been asked but if Hincapie was using his own cash after leaving postal and not taxpayer funds to fund his programme then they weren't going to investigate it.

 

[Benotti69]

How exactly do you know what he was asked? Unless you have a copy of the transcript, you don't know.

I dont, but we know that USADA was investigating USPS and Armstrong, not Hincapie. Would they ask a rider about his career and risk not getting a witness for their USPS Investigation? I think that was part of the deal.

Maybe JV can answer what USADA asked for, a full career confession or what they knew about Armstrong, Ferarri, Bruyneel, Marti and Del Moral?

 

[Benotti69]

The coming weeks and months will be revealing, I'd like to see Hincapie try to substantiate his claim that he was clean from 2006 with science and not spin and PR moves.

I expect Hincapie to be keeping a very low profile for the next few years and avoiding all publicity.

 

[roundabout]

I thought it was general consenus that George stopped doping once he joined High Road? Now, everyone seems to be calling him a liar. And convenient time to retire? Regardless of the USADA case, he would have likely retired this year, anyway. The guy's been a pro for 20 years!

A clean classics rider finishes 23rd on GC in the Tour in 2007?

Doesn't really sound credible.

 

[MarkvW]

Hincapie was asked about USPS.

This is why truth and reconcilliation would not work, even when Hincapie had the chance to tell all he hasn't. Idiot, so much for loving cycling.

No. Hincapie was asked about the "USPS Conspiracy." "USPS Conspiracy", per the charging doc, includes Discovery.

The continuity is VERY important to the USADA case. That continuing conspiracy is why USADA used the "old" doping as evidence of doping during the "comeback."

 

[thehog]

I expect Hincapie to be keeping a very low profile for the next few years and avoiding all publicity.

I beg to differ. I think all of the 11 including Floyd and Tyler will be greatly accepted. The one who will not is the one who still hasn’t confessed.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

If it was'nt for the intervention of the feds the like of Hincapie and Leipheimer would of kept quiet. End of. That is not even up for debate.

It's good that they gave evidence but don't make it out that they are similiar to Landis. Landis had everything to lose when he stepped forward in 2010 and left himself open to fraud charges when he spoke out. He was'nt forced by the feds where others later on were.

Agreed, based off what has been revealed so far, Landis is the main person who once he came clean, he told the whole truth and nothing but the truth, not a damage limitation exercise.

 

[MarkvW]

If it was'nt for the intervention of the feds the like of Hincapie and Leipheimer would of kept quiet. End of. That is not even up for debate.

It's good that they gave evidence but don't make it out that they are similiar to Landis. Landis had everything to lose when he stepped forward in 2010 and left himself open to fraud charges when he spoke out. He was'nt forced by the feds where others later on were.

Landis had nothing left to lose. He was broke, divorced, and disgraced. He had no chance of riding pro again. The disclosure gave him the opportunity to possibly make big money as a whistleblower.

The Saint Floyd myth doesn't wash. But Floyd has taken steps to remedy his wrongs and should be commended for that.