Hot racing coming up in Australia

[yaco]

You can't have it any closer than a week after the finish of the TDU and they had the Surf Classic race on Thursday as a warm up - I am more interested in the reintroduction of the Herald Sun Tour in the first week of February which has not been held since COVID.

 

[yaco]

Yes, 10 WT teams isn't even enough to be classified as WT normally. Turkey once lost their WT status because of that. Doubt UCI will do the same to Cadel Evans tho, but that race has to do something cause it just turned in a free point scoring opportunity for smaller teams. Without UCI points being important this race wouldn't even have 5 WT teams at the start anymore.

What do you think the Challenge Mallorca races are or the one day races which are now held before Oman, Algarve and Ruta Del Sol.

 

[Netserk]

What do you think the Challenge Mallorca races are or the one day races which are now held before Oman, Algarve and Ruta Del Sol.

None of those are WT races.

 

[ingsve]

Perhaps just make the race harder so that more teams can bring the same roster for TDU and CEGORR and put it closer to TDU in time, like in place of the crit race ahead of TDU. Or just make it 1.1 and invite some more asian Conti teams.

 

[Samamba]

What do you think the Challenge Mallorca races are or the one day races which are now held before Oman, Algarve and Ruta Del Sol.

Are they WT lmao? What is this response?

 

[yaco]

Are they WT lmao? What is this response?

In your post you mention the Cadel race is a free point scoring races for smaller teams, that UCI points are important and discuss the validity of the Cadel race being WT status. Hence my response about the Mallorca races and the pop up races having teams chasing UCI points - Maybe you should read what you actually wrote in your post ! It seems obvious the UCI want one stage race and a one day race in Australia to have WT status along with the UAE Tour and the Canadian races which are outside Europe.

 

[yaco]

The Cadel Race is a true lottery race - There have been 7 editions of the race and the winners have won a total of 12 races in the year they won. This figure of 12 is distorted by Viviani who won 9 races after his 2019 victory in the Cadel race. I have no idea who will win the 2024 edition.

 

[Panda Claws]

Is this the first time ever that the best placed Australian in Tour Down Under was only 8th?

 

[Samamba]

In your post you mention the Cadel race is a free point scoring races for smaller teams, that UCI points are important and discuss the validity of the Cadel race being WT status. Hence my response about the Mallorca races and the pop up races having teams chasing UCI points - Maybe you should read what you actually wrote in your post ! It seems obvious the UCI want one stage race and a one day race in Australia to have WT status along with the UAE Tour and the Canadian races which are outside Europe.

What are you saying man, i don't understand half the points you make here but jeez.

It's about Cadel Evan Road race being worldtour and having only 10 WT teams at the start meaning indeed that's it just a bunch of free points. You compare them to other one day races that aren't WT and thus give way less points? Mallorca almost has the same amount of WT teams.

Again you are comparing WT races to .1 races, why? There is not a single other WT race that has this problem, and you should be comparing to those. The other WT races have a good field, this one doesn't and it gets worse every year.

 

[search]

I see your point, but what's the solution? If it was downgraded, the lineup would be even worse and we'd have Jayco picking up free points in a .pro race instead.

Edit: Best way would probably be to do it closer to TDU?

 

[Samamba]

I see your point, but what's the solution? If it was downgraded, the lineup would be even worse and we'd have Jayco picking up free points in a .pro race instead.

Edit: Best way would probably be to do it closer to TDU?

There's some things you can try like moving it closer or maybe even before TDU.

Also it isn't all about the points for me, a race that can't have more than 10 WT teams simply doesn't deserve to be WT imo, then there is plenty of other races that simply deserve it more. And yeah I get the UCI is trying to globalize the sport, but I really don't see how this race does anything for it, it doesn't even give the opportunity to a lot of Australian non WT riders to ride as they can't (looks like they already got an exception as there's a CT team in it). Imo it's better to have more .1 or .Pro races there than this random WT race no one wants or can race in.

 

[Netserk]

I see your point, but what's the solution? If it was downgraded, the lineup would be even worse and we'd have Jayco picking up free points in a .pro race instead.

Edit: Best way would probably be to do it closer to TDU?

No WT races outside Europe.

 

[yaco]

Possibly the amount of WT teams could be a post COVID hangover as the number of participating WT teams has dropped in the last two years - Prior to COVID this race had an average of 14 WT teams per edition.

 

[yaco]

What are you saying man, i don't understand half the points you make here but jeez.

It's about Cadel Evan Road race being worldtour and having only 10 WT teams at the start meaning indeed that's it just a bunch of free points. You compare them to other one day races that aren't WT and thus give way less points? Mallorca almost has the same amount of WT teams.

Again you are comparing WT races to .1 races, why? There is not a single other WT race that has this problem, and you should be comparing to those. The other WT races have a good field, this one doesn't and it gets worse every year.

UCI points are irrelevant - The argument you should solely focus on is the WT status of the race.

 

[tobydawq]

No WT races outside Europe.

The Canadian races are doing great. Okay, the points you get for getting results there are ridiculous, it should be toned down a category. I don't even think that would destroy what they've got going on.

 

[Cookster15]

No WT races outside Europe.

Cycling is starting to sound like American sports - "World" Series baseball? I prefer the sport realize the potential of expanding beyond Europe when possible. The timing of the TDU makes that possible.

A better suggestion is to move the Cadel Evans Road Race to the week before the TDU. Teams can fly to Australia unhindered by races in Europe and with plenty of time to allow for jet lag and acclimatization. By running the Cadel Evans Race before the TDU is perfect for the same reason that the world road race is normally a week after the end of the Vuelta.

 

[Netserk]

Cycling is a European sport, not a World sport. There's nothing wrong with that, as all culture is local. I don't have anything against races outside of Europe, and it's of course natural for the sport to also thrive to various degrees in Exo-Europe. But there should not be an artificial support of such races. Down Under and Guangxi both have no business in the top echelon of races.

 

[armchairclimber]

Then we have ET races. Where a little alien fella rides on the handlebars.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Good race to snap your collarbone and miss the classics

 

[Cookster15]

Cycling is a European sport, not a World sport. There's nothing wrong with that, as all culture is local. I don't have anything against races outside of Europe, and it's of course natural for the sport to also thrive to various degrees in Exo-Europe. But there should not be an artificial support of such races. Down Under and Guangxi both have no business in the top echelon of races.

No, inarguably Cycling is a global sport these days, it is just more popular in Europe. That is why I follow it .

The TDU has been well supported by pro teams since its inception and this discussion is about the Cadel Evans Road race specifically. That race would benefit by being scheduled one week before the TDU. Just my opinion.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Good race to snap your collarbone and miss the classics

Those who experienced that on Mallorca today probably wish they had been in Australia instead.

 

[Netserk]

No, inarguably Cycling is a global sport these days, it is just more popular in Europe. That is why I follow it .

The TDU has been well supported by pro teams since its inception and this discussion is about the Cadel Evans Road race specifically. That race would benefit by being scheduled one week before the TDU. Just my opinion.

In which country that is not European or established by Europeans (or whose majority culture is not primarily descended from European culture) is cycling a major sport?

EDIT: Both Australia and Israel take part in the Eurovision Song Contest. Case closed.

 

[AmRacer]

In which country that is not European or established by Europeans (or whose majority culture is not primarily descended from European culture) is cycling a major sport?

Cycling isn't a major sport in Europe either.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Those who experienced that on Mallorca today probably wish they had been in Australia instead.

Oh good point . At least they didn't travel around the world for the experience.

I like tour down under, it's a cool race to start the season and riders get a nice winter training block on Australia, also good for Australia cycling. But I don't really know what the point of cadel race is. I like any race and will watch it but not cadel race because i am sleeping!!

 

[stefank]

No WT races outside Europe.

Remind me what the initials "WT" stand for. Some of us seem to have a very limited world view.