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[Lupi33x]

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That was a pretty dull edition of the race, I must say. It's sad they get rid of Montacute before Campbelltown and the Stirling finish, there was not enough variety.

Ultimately it's always sad to see this race delivering as many points as most prestigious one-week races, but that's UCI's problem. The dullness of this edition is Turtur's one.

I thought the Victor Harbor stage was the best because at least the final sprint had a technical finish and it was fun to see Ewan and Sagan pick their way through the field and take that final corner so well.

The others didnt raise my heart rate at all.

 

[Alexandre B.]

If PCS update is right about UCI World Ranking:

Ulissi moves from 9th to 7th.
Porte moves from 14th to 10th.
Dennis moves from 78th to 64th.
Ewan moves from 88th to 68th.
Haas moves from 117th to 71th.
Gerrans moves from 65th to 70th.
McCarthy moves from 167th to 109th.

 

[StryderHells]

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6 Stages = 6 wins for Aus
Overall win for Aus
4 Aus riders in top

definitely fair event and a well-deserved boat load of WT/UCI points for Australia

Dear UCI, please cancel this sh*t-show. It's not funny anymore

Yep it's totally unfair! Cancel the race! It's time to ban riders who happen to be from the country the race is held. It's time for race equality!

 

[Kazistuta]

Well, it's pretty obvious this race is the WT race most favourable towards riders from its own country. Not purposely, but it's gotta be the WT race with the least competition. It just so happens that Australia is a country with plenty of quality riders that would help them get a high country rank, but if not this event would almost solely guarantee them more riders for the World Championships.

 

[Pentacycle]

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6 Stages = 6 wins for Aus
Overall win for Aus
4 Aus riders in top

definitely fair event and a well-deserved boat load of WT/UCI points for Australia

Dear UCI, please cancel this sh*t-show. It's not funny anymore

Yep it's totally unfair! Cancel the race! It's time to ban riders who happen to be from the country the race is held. It's time for race equality!

The TDU used to have a bigger influence on the final rankings, but that has been improved with the addition of all Arabic/Chinese races + upgrading EU ones. Still, its place on the calendar does not justify the boatload of points available. The criticism should not be based on Australia's dominance, the real reason is that the TDU points inflate the UCI-ranking. This is rendering the points gained from prestigious historic races like T-A, Catalunya, or the monuments less valuable. Even 2.1 races like Algarve or Mallorca have better fields. One wonders whether the top ranked riders at the end of 2017 will reflect the 'real' top riders as seen from the fans' perspective.

 

[stefank]

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6 Stages = 6 wins for Aus
Overall win for Aus
4 Aus riders in top

definitely fair event and a well-deserved boat load of WT/UCI points for Australia

Dear UCI, please cancel this sh*t-show. It's not funny anymore

Yep it's totally unfair! Cancel the race! It's time to ban riders who happen to be from the country the race is held. It's time for race equality!

The TDU used to have a bigger influence on the final rankings, but that has been improved with the addition of all Arabic/Chinese races + upgrading EU ones. Still, its place on the calendar does not justify the boatload of points available. The criticism should not be based on Australia's dominance, the real reason is that the TDU points inflate the UCI-ranking. This is rendering the points gained from prestigious historic races like T-A, Catalunya, or the monuments less valuable. Even 2.1 races like Algarve or Mallorca have better fields. One wonders whether the top ranked riders at the end of 2017 will reflect the 'real' top riders as seen from the fans' perspective.

If they wish to be regarded as "real" top riders they need to get to the TDU and prove how good they are!

 

[Jagartrott]

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If they wish to be regarded as "real" top riders they need to get to the TDU and prove how good they are!

That's not how it works.

 

[movingtarget]

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Speaking of Gorilla. He would have been a great addition to the race this year.
Not sure anyone else could have come close to Porte when hes in this type of form.

Have a feeling that the Baby Gorilla would have been too much for the Gorilla at least at the moment. Most of his wins were easy.

 

[Orbit501]

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Okay, now I'm confused.
If Haas and McCarthy had the exact same time (after the bonus sprint), and Haas had placed better than McCarthy on four stages, then how come McCarthy got ahead of Haas and onto the podium? Can't be because of the points competition either, because Haas is - obviously - ahead of McCarthy there too...

And it can't be that fractions have decided, since there was no tt.
Must be a mistake.

First countback for GC is always super points or lowest average placing.

McCarthy = 59
Haas = 63

Next tiebreaker is highest placing in a stage iirc.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused and interested in knowing how it's worked out, especially as I had e/w GC bets on both McCarthy and Haas.

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

6 Stages = 6 wins for Aus
Overall win for Aus
4 Aus riders in top

definitely fair event and a well-deserved boat load of WT/UCI points for Australia

Dear UCI, please cancel this sh*t-show. It's not funny anymore

Yep it's totally unfair! Cancel the race! It's time to ban riders who happen to be from the country the race is held. It's time for race equality!

The TDU used to have a bigger influence on the final rankings, but that has been improved with the addition of all Arabic/Chinese races + upgrading EU ones. Still, its place on the calendar does not justify the boatload of points available. The criticism should not be based on Australia's dominance, the real reason is that the TDU points inflate the UCI-ranking. This is rendering the points gained from prestigious historic races like T-A, Catalunya, or the monuments less valuable. Even 2.1 races like Algarve or Mallorca have better fields. One wonders whether the top ranked riders at the end of 2017 will reflect the 'real' top riders as seen from the fans' perspective.

If they wish to be regarded as "real" top riders they need to get to the TDU and prove how good they are!

the top riders want to win prestigious races with the eyes of the world media upon them, not out of season races in the Ausie outback

 

[Jancouver]

So the little midget collected total of 425 CQ points ... the Giro winner will get 500

BTW my Aussie friends, if this race is so great, why only about 10% of the Top 50 riders showed up?

What a disgrace this race is. Riding in circles around some crap-hole in the middle of nowhere. Awful coverage, boring scenery, ... absolutely the worst event on the UCI calender for sure.

 

[MatParker117]

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Speaking of Gorilla. He would have been a great addition to the race this year.
Not sure anyone else could have come close to Porte when hes in this type of form.

Have a feeling that the Baby Gorilla would have been too much for the Gorilla at least at the moment. Most of his wins were easy.

Greipel and Viviani would of at least made the sprint's interesting.

 

[movingtarget]

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Speaking of Gorilla. He would have been a great addition to the race this year.
Not sure anyone else could have come close to Porte when hes in this type of form.

Have a feeling that the Baby Gorilla would have been too much for the Gorilla at least at the moment. Most of his wins were easy.

Greipel and Viviani would of at least made the sprint's interesting.

Yeah of course. It was really Ewan v Sagan and daylight third.

 

[Lupi33x]

the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

 

[movingtarget]

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6 Stages = 6 wins for Aus
Overall win for Aus
4 Aus riders in top

definitely fair event and a well-deserved boat load of WT/UCI points for Australia

Dear UCI, please cancel this sh*t-show. It's not funny anymore

Yep it's totally unfair! Cancel the race! It's time to ban riders who happen to be from the country the race is held. It's time for race equality!

The TDU used to have a bigger influence on the final rankings, but that has been improved with the addition of all Arabic/Chinese races + upgrading EU ones. Still, its place on the calendar does not justify the boatload of points available. The criticism should not be based on Australia's dominance, the real reason is that the TDU points inflate the UCI-ranking. This is rendering the points gained from prestigious historic races like T-A, Catalunya, or the monuments less valuable. Even 2.1 races like Algarve or Mallorca have better fields. One wonders whether the top ranked riders at the end of 2017 will reflect the 'real' top riders as seen from the fans' perspective.

If they wish to be regarded as "real" top riders they need to get to the TDU and prove how good they are!

the top riders want to win prestigious races with the eyes of the world media upon them, not out of season races in the Ausie outback

Adelaide is not the outback. The outback is much worse.

 

[movingtarget]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

Well that all started with Tour De Lance. God knows what he was being paid. Sagan is probably worth it. The current world champion and well known to cycling fans the world over.

 

[movingtarget]

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So the little midget collected total of 425 CQ points ... the Giro winner will get 500

BTW my Aussie friends, if this race is so great, why only about 10% of the Top 50 riders showed up?

What a disgrace this race is. Riding in circles around some crap-hole in the middle of nowhere. Awful coverage, boring scenery, ... absolutely the worst event on the UCI calender for sure.

I wonder what some of the other races are worth points wise like the Tour of Alberta, Tour of Oman, Tour of Turkey and so on ? At least the Australian race draws spectators, the races in some of the northern hemisphere countries seem to have more date palms and camels than spectators but I suppose they do have dust storms and cross winds like the TDU potentially has. It's interesting that Froome rides the Sun Tour instead of the TDU maybe he wants to test his climbing form early in the season and avoid the worst of the heat.

 

[Jancouver]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

 

[Lupi33x]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

 

[Jancouver]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

I can imagine specialized bikes are available in Australia

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

I can imagine specialized bikes are available in Australia

They're pretty much available everywhere besides North-Korea

 

[Lupi33x]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

I can imagine specialized bikes are available in Australia

How many are they going to sell in the Ausi outback?

 

[Jancouver]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

I can imagine specialized bikes are available in Australia

How many are they going to sell in the Ausi outback?

Based on what I have seen around here, the Aussies seems to be easily manipulated into believing the TdU is the greatest race therefore, it must be also very easy to brainwash them into buying the junk made by Specialized

 

[jaylew]

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So the little midget collected total of 425 CQ points ... the Giro winner will get 500

BTW my Aussie friends, if this race is so great, why only about 10% of the Top 50 riders showed up?

What a disgrace this race is. Riding in circles around some crap-hole in the middle of nowhere. Awful coverage, boring scenery, ... absolutely the worst event on the UCI calender for sure.

Complain, moan, whine...we get it, you don't like the race. Why do you feel the need to make multiple posts saying the same thing every year? And of course the Aussie fans are excited to see some of the top riders race in their country. Why the need for such negativity?

Not saying the points scale couldn't be tweaked a bit but your CQ point is completely misleading. You get 500 points just for the win but if you win stages and have the lead for some time (like Porte did) you can score WAY more points than that for a GT. Most GT winners wind up scoring much more than just the points for the win. I'd bet Froome scored well over 1000 at the Tour last year. Nairo probably scored something similar at the Vuelta. Nibs wasn't great til the end so he would have had far fewer.

 

[Orbit501]

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the race budget was blown on Sagan's appearance fee to give it a veneer of prestige, otherwise it would've been Ewan, daylight

I don't think they paid him much.

IMO he was forced by Specialized, as a part of his new mega contract to show up.

It's just a vacation for him and his wife.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

Specialized are an American company. What do they have to gain by sending him to the end of the earth?

I can imagine specialized bikes are available in Australia

How many are they going to sell in the Ausi outback?

:lol: