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[yaco]

Thank you for the links, pastronef…

Well, I agree with Lukacs, „Hope all riders involved are okay.“… And I‘d like to add, I hope the spectator(s) involved are OK…

There was no yell, no time for a yell. But the incident looks really, really brutal.

Well: No yell, no shout, nothing. Hardly any media reaction, until now. Caleb Ewan DNS at TDU‘s unofficial opener criterium. No news of injuries. Lots of silence. Caleb uncertain for TDU.

So my questions: what the hell, in fact, happened there, happened in the meantime, and is happening now???…

That to me looks uncomfortably worrying…

Ewan crashed in the National RR and is struggling to recover from his injuries.

 

[RedheadDane]

Gigante blowing everyone apart!

 

[claude cat]

That was some attack.

 

[RedheadDane]

That was some attack.

I suppose you could even say it was a... gigantec attack.

 

[awavey]

Strewth, bet theyd wished theyd attacked more in the kms before the climb happened

 

[claude cat]

Well, can't say there was lots of tactics involved.
Just get to the front and ride everyone off your wheel.
Good trick if you can pull it off!

 

[Izzyeviel]

what a weird top ten. you'd have predicted Spratt, Gigante, & Wlodarczyk, maybe Neve. What happened to Cecilie?

 

[claude cat]

What happened to Cecilie?

Blew up. I'm not really surprised, she's not going to be near her top condition in January.

 

[yaco]

Previously posted that Gigante is the best women's talent by far to come out of Australia in the last 25 years - She still has issues to fix such as living in Europe and riding efficiently in the peleton BUT if she can get it right she can win a GT - Anyway, AG Insurance is a good team for her at the moment - I would like her to ride the UAE Tour as she will have crosswinds and of course the Hafeet climb.

 

[awavey]

Blew up. I'm not really surprised, she's not going to be near her top condition in January.

Yeah she said she tried to follow Gigantes move, but was immediately in the red, and just couldn't recover from it, did the best she good but was beaten by the better rider, which I thought was very gracious of her as she was obviously disappointed not to win and you don't often hear riders immediately post race giving interviews like that.

 

[pastronef]

Thank you for the links, pastronef…

Well, I agree with Lukacs, „Hope all riders involved are okay.“… And I‘d like to add, I hope the spectator(s) involved are OK…

There was no yell, no time for a yell. But the incident looks really, really brutal.

Well: No yell, no shout, nothing. Hardly any media reaction, until now. Caleb Ewan DNS at TDU‘s unofficial opener criterium. No news of injuries. Lots of silence. Caleb uncertain for TDU.

So my questions: what the hell, in fact, happened there, happened in the meantime, and is happening now???…

That to me looks uncomfortably worrying…

you make way more dramatic than it actually is. it was a race accident. media reported the crash and moved on to the next race

"We are happy to report that Graeme Frislie has been cleared of any major injuries, and is now home to begin his recovery from the crash in Friday’s #RoadNats24 criterium. We also understand from @auscyclingaus that all spectators involved are ok"

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[yaco]

Interesting to see hear the post race comments from TDUOrganizer Scott O'Grady that AG Insurance were a last minute addition to the start list. So possibly there was a dispute between Movistar ( who did not win the race ) and Gigante over the TDU which led to her leaving the team.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Gigante has clearly got her confidence back. She just went hard like she did 3 years ago. At first it looked like the WT peloton would be harder for her to crack than the domestic one was back then, but the continued pressure quickly got too much for most riders and CUL in particular. The wind made it harder to make a difference, but she was the one who blew everyone away.

Nienke Vinke is no longer (just) a rider with a funny name. She didn't perform at the top level straight away like her teammate Eglantine Rayer, but now she's truly arrived, to use Marty's words. Also predictable that Bradbury show's some form, after I decided not to keep her on my CQ team for this year.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Interesting to see hear the post race comments from TDUOrganizer Scott O'Grady that AG Insurance were a last minute addition to the start list. So possibly there was a dispute between Movistar ( who did not win the race ) and Gigante over the TDU which led to her leaving the team.

Movistar have never ridden the race, and since it seems like they have lost faith in Gigante by the end, they were definitely not going to ride it because of her.

 

[yaco]

Movistar have never ridden the race, and since it seems like they have lost faith in Gigante by the end, they were definitely not going to ride it because of her.

There is a bigger picture at play - Some thing happened with Lotto not going to the 2023 TDU for Ewan and Ineos refusing to give leadership to Plapp at the same race. Both riders were disgruntled and look what happened - It seems that some teams fail to release the importance of the TDU for the bigger Aussie riders and also the organisers wants these riders - For example if you look at the popularity of Aussie riders Ewan and Plapp would be the leading male riders and Gigante and Spratt the leading female riders. The TDU organisers want these riders at the start line and fighting for victory.

 

[theyoungest]

Gigante has clearly got her confidence back. She just went hard like she did 3 years ago. At first it looked like the WT peloton would be harder for her to crack than the domestic one was back then, but the continued pressure quickly got too much for most riders and CUL in particular. The wind made it harder to make a difference, but she was the one who blew everyone away.

Nienke Vinke is no longer (just) a rider with a funny name. She didn't perform at the top level straight away like her teammate Eglantine Rayer, but now she's truly arrived, to use Marty's words. Also predictable that Bradbury show's some form, after I decided not to keep her on my CQ team for this year.

And two former winners of the Zwift Academy in the top-10: not just Neve Bradbury in 3d, but also Maud Oudeman in 8th. For Oudeman this is her first result of note on the road. She's only been cycling for like 3 years, so she probably needs some time.

 

[theyoungest]

There is a bigger picture at play - Some thing happened with Lotto not going to the 2023 TDU for Ewan and Ineos refusing to give leadership to Plapp at the same race. Both riders were disgruntled and look what happened - It seems that some teams fail to release the importance of the TDU for the bigger Aussie riders and also the organisers wants these riders - For example if you look at the popularity of Aussie riders Ewan and Plapp would be the leading male riders and Gigante and Spratt the leading female riders. The TDU organisers want these riders at the start line and fighting for victory.

I think in current day cycling the placement of TDU on the calendar (and of course on the map) just makes it very unattractive for anyone but the Aussies. None of the top riders want to travel to Australia in January, they want to do a proper training camp in Europe. Maybe having it in October would be better, the weather also wouldn't be as hot I believe.

 

[Dk one]

Gigante has clearly got her confidence back. She just went hard like she did 3 years ago. At first it looked like the WT peloton would be harder for her to crack than the domestic one was back then, but the continued pressure quickly got too much for most riders and CUL in particular. The wind made it harder to make a difference, but she was the one who blew everyone away.

Nienke Vinke is no longer (just) a rider with a funny name. She didn't perform at the top level straight away like her teammate Eglantine Rayer, but now she's truly arrived, to use Marty's words. Also predictable that Bradbury show's some form, after I decided not to keep her on my CQ team for this year.

Wow, Gigante! Great for my cq game CUL would probably have placed better had she not tried to follow while in the red but of course she had to try. And yay for one my picks for emerging rider cq, Nienke Vienke!

 

[yaco]

I think in current day cycling the placement of TDU on the calendar (and of course on the map) just makes it very unattractive for anyone but the Aussies. None of the top riders want to travel to Australia in January, they want to do a proper training camp in Europe. Maybe having it in October would be better, the weather also wouldn't be as hot I believe.

Your post has no real relevance to my post - Anyway. the TDU will never be in October because January is the peak summer period in Australia.

 

[theyoungest]

Your post has no real relevance to my post - Anyway. the TDU will never be in October because January is the peak summer period in Australia.

I'm trying to explain why teams like Movistar and Lotto see no reason to come to the TDU. I'm also wondering how the finances work, certainly for a team like Lotto.

Why does it have to be in the peak summer period in Australia, btw? Most races in Europe aren't in July.

 

[StryderHells]

I'm trying to explain why teams like Movistar and Lotto see no reason to come to the TDU. I'm also wondering how the finances work, certainly for a team like Lotto.

Why does it have to be in the peak summer period in Australia, btw? Most races in Europe aren't in July.

The reason the TDU works is because it’s at the start of year in the summer/holiday period, move it to October and I highly doubt the finances would stack up as the tourism it brings to Adelaide/South Australia would disappear.

 

[awavey]

The reason the TDU works is because it’s at the start of year in the summer/holiday period, move it to October and I highly doubt the finances would stack up as the tourism it brings to Adelaide/South Australia would disappear.

what kind of tourism does it bring ?

there seemed barely any spectators lining the course or at the finishes, not surprisingly really given the heat and the parcours, but it doesnt strike me as a race people are travelling much to visit

and in terms of its positioning, from Europe, you would literally be spending longer flying to get there and back, than you would actually racing, 3 stages isnt long enough to make it worthwhile especially with the costs associated for shipping team & equipment out there.

it kind of only works because the Australian nationals are adjacent to it and alot of the Aus pro riders compete for that and so you get enough of a pool of riders and teams wanting to score easy points, and if your team doesnt enter the race, you do what Sarah Roy did and join up as your national team instead. any rider whose view of the world is Im going to swap teams because they wont do this one race is probably not going to enjoy much success in their career.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

what kind of tourism does it bring ?

there seemed barely any spectators lining the course or at the finishes, not surprisingly really given the heat and the parcours, but it doesnt strike me as a race people are travelling much to visit

and in terms of its positioning, from Europe, you would literally be spending longer flying to get there and back, than you would actually racing, 3 stages isnt long enough to make it worthwhile especially with the costs associated for shipping team & equipment out there.

it kind of only works because the Australian nationals are adjacent to it and alot of the Aus pro riders compete for that and so you get enough of a pool of riders and teams wanting to score easy points, and if your team doesnt enter the race, you do what Sarah Roy did and join up as your national team instead. any rider whose view of the world is Im going to swap teams because they wont do this one race is probably not going to enjoy much success in their career.

Jancouver!!! We've missed you!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

what kind of tourism does it bring ?

there seemed barely any spectators lining the course or at the finishes, not surprisingly really given the heat and the parcours, but it doesnt strike me as a race people are travelling much to visit

and in terms of its positioning, from Europe, you would literally be spending longer flying to get there and back, than you would actually racing, 3 stages isnt long enough to make it worthwhile especially with the costs associated for shipping team & equipment out there.

it kind of only works because the Australian nationals are adjacent to it and alot of the Aus pro riders compete for that and so you get enough of a pool of riders and teams wanting to score easy points, and if your team doesnt enter the race, you do what Sarah Roy did and join up as your national team instead. any rider whose view of the world is Im going to swap teams because they wont do this one race is probably not going to enjoy much success in their career.

Teams are usually staying for CEGRR as well though. Annette Edmondson also said that they want to have more stages in the future, so let's hope that indeed happens.

 

[yaco]

what kind of tourism does it bring ?

there seemed barely any spectators lining the course or at the finishes, not surprisingly really given the heat and the parcours, but it doesnt strike me as a race people are travelling much to visit

and in terms of its positioning, from Europe, you would literally be spending longer flying to get there and back, than you would actually racing, 3 stages isnt long enough to make it worthwhile especially with the costs associated for shipping team & equipment out there.

it kind of only works because the Australian nationals are adjacent to it and alot of the Aus pro riders compete for that and so you get enough of a pool of riders and teams wanting to score easy points, and if your team doesnt enter the race, you do what Sarah Roy did and join up as your national team instead. any rider whose view of the world is Im going to swap teams because they wont do this one race is probably not going to enjoy much success in their career.

You need to be aware of the history of the race. When Adelaide lost the F1 race to Melbourne, the SA Government surveyed their citizens to find out what international sporting event they wanted and they votes for cycling, hence the start of the TDU. I doubt that the South Australian Government would be funding the TDU for 25+ years if the financial figures did not stack up. It's a whole event with a festival of cycling including a Tour Village, street parties, Track Cycling Events, Family events, regional rides, Group rides, Car Park climbs etc,etc,etc.

You will find that the TDU like the UAE Tour is one of the peleton's favorite races of the year - You get 2 weeks of five star accommodation in the one place, no transfers, riders are treated like royalty by the organizers, the parcours is not to challenging and all infrastructure costs are covered by the organisers - I'll also add there is nothing wrong with riders preparing for the season in warm conditions.