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Shame said:He's ahead (112 meters) at the 40 mark.
Seems the announcers keep looking at Rohan's pace rather than his distance.
He's not behind at all. 52.687 at 45 minute mark.
Given the objective was to beat the current record, then this strategy was perfect.el_angliru said:What's the best way to do an hour race? I know there isn't any definite answer to this, as it probably varies from rider to rider. But what's the best approach in theory?
Not if he intends to break the hour record it's not. It would be a disastrous start, way too hard.Shame said:
Not a bad start for Wiggins, eh?
I think I get it, which is why I also pointed out that his second 15km effort was significantly slower and at a lower power. I have coached and consulted on several successful hour record attempts, I have a little bit of an idea on this stuff.Shame said:"disasterous"
You don't get it. This was a 16 minute ride at 55 kph, not an hour ride.
We can all make an estimate but there will be a range when extrapolating 16-min power out to one-hour power.Shame said:From this I can calculate what his hour pace should be, based on his power curve.
You might but it is not necessary. In some cases such over speed training at the track can be detrimental. I'd prefer valuable track time be used for race pace execution practice - reinforcing good pacing and line riding habits. Fitness development work can be done elsewhere. Going too hard at the track is not good practice IMO.Shame said:This was just his first week of his hour preparation. If your goal is 54, you have to do some training over 54
He was unable to do two 15km efforts consistently.Shame said:He was very consistent as well. This too is a big factor in success.
He rode the Lotus bike in superman position for that first 15km run?Shame said:It is really bizarre that you put down Wiggins 15K workout. It's the basic equivalent of Boardman's 56 kph world record pace. (Both Boardman and Wiggins agree that the Lotus with the Superman is at least 1 kph faster. I don't know how Wiggo fit on the bike but he's ridden it at full speed. When you suggest never riding over a one hour pace, I would severely question your skills as a coach. Alex went over his average toward the end of his effort. You don't do that without practice. Wiggins is one of the most consistent track riders. First, he was really in his lines for that run. Second, his lap times only varied by about 0.2 seconds. "Inconsistent"? Think again.
To answer the above question.....in the UK only oneShame said:How many time trials (beside tail-winds and negative elevations) for ten miles have averaged over 55 kph? (excluding those caught doping)
I speak and write English just fine thanks.Shame said:No, he rode his hour bike. Again, you seem to get confused easily. Is English your primary language?
Wiggins once rode the Lotus in the superman position and found he could go much faster than his current bike.
But you have clarified that you meant at an earlier time, not during this session, thanks.Shame said:It is really bizarre that you put down Wiggins 15K workout. It's the basic equivalent of Boardman's 56 kph world record pace. (Both Boardman and Wiggins agree that the Lotus with the Superman is at least 1 kph faster. I don't know how Wiggo fit on the bike but he's ridden it at full speed.
Boardman still managed ~440W for his superman hour ride. I don't think it buggered up his power all that much. He was however very aerodynamic. I've only tested 3 riders with aerodynamics in his range. We know it would have required a power to CdA ratio in the vicinity of 2400+W/m^2.Shame said:I mentioned before trying to equate Boardman's ride with today's bike and position. But, it is hard to be accurate since wattage changes with position, as Boardman stated that his wattage was lower in the Superman position but his speed was faster. At least Wiggins knows what is possible for his ride (if he can hour as good as Boardman.
That's not questioning his abilities, but rather the strategy of riding too hard. Even the best do it and no matter how you spin it, it's a mistake.Shame said:"I've never questioned Wiggins' track abilities."
You did question his training when you said training at 55 kph was foolish and I called you out on that. It may boil down to opinion. I know it works.
His coach did a fine job of keeping him in check, and Alex did a fine job of trusting his coach. I've definitely been there with a head strong athlete who had failed an hour attempt badly before I got my hands on him and sorted out his pacing.Shame said:"Wiggins doesn't need to learn how to ride faster than hour pace."
Of course he does. Look at AD's ride. A good chunk of it was over the 52.9 pace. If you only train at 53, you will struggle to do 53.5-54. You won't even know how long you could sustain it. I thought AD's coach did a great job of slowing him down went his speed started to spike too much at the 50 minute mark. I've been there and it is tough not to roll too fast at that point.
No idea what warmups have to do with anything - that's just a red herring. Nor 10-mile TTs for that matter. This is a track record, not a road one. Whilst there is overlap with physiology and the physics, there are many differences and specific issues for a track hour that require attention compared with a road TT.Shame said:"we should instead focus on his second effort "
By your reasoning, should we focus on his warm-up or cool-down?
How many time trials (beside tail-winds and negative elevations) for ten miles have averaged over 55 kph? (excluding those caught doping)
Hard to sensibly compare UK road TT pace with indoor track pace. Too many variables outdoors - road surface, variability in gradient, wind of course, but mostly the massive impact traffic has on air flow, effectively creating a permanent tailwind.oldcrank said:To answer the above question.....in the UK only oneShame said:How many time trials (beside tail-winds and negative elevations) for ten miles have averaged over 55 kph? (excluding those caught doping)
that I am aware of: last year Mr. Alex Dowsett did 17
min 20 sec for the British 10 mile tt record.
Good point, that could well be the case.oldcrank said:Shame said:And, without entering into the discussion/argument
of the last few posts, I think it might be that Sir Brad's
first 15 km interval (documented above) was as much
about his 10 mile tt next week as it was about his Hour
attempt in June. But I could be wrong, my friends.
And, without entering into the discussion/argument
of the last few posts, I think it might be that Sir Brad's
first 15 km interval (documented above) was as much
about his 10 mile tt next week as it was about his Hour
attempt in June. But I could be wrong, my friends.