How dirty is SaxoBank-Tinkoff?

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The Hitch said:
Hillarious.

Makes some of the quotes made on here and in walshs book about how super anti doping everyone involved in the wiggo and froome wins was, even more delusional.

They were all so commited to anti doping, they join riis immediately after.
Would be fun to see if some of the posters who said it meant nothing that sky had all this dirty staff feel the same way about Tinkov.
 
Jul 11, 2013
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Julich -Feels like home!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julich-return-to-tinkoff-saxo-feels-like-home

I have a history with Bjarne.
Very comforting.

I'm looking forward to learning from someone like Oleg Tinkov
Don't we all?

It feels like I've come home
Yup. Telling the truth i think.

Also I'll be bringing some ideas to Bjarne
#howtodomagictricks!

Julich believes that his working relationship with Yates, de Jongh and the rest of the staff at Tinkoff-Saxo can get off to a flying start in 2015
No doubt!
and we feel like we can help guide the next generation of riders.
Oh dear!!

So from the outside looking in I can understand how people might interpret this but Oleg has really invested a large amount
Hmm...

In my opinion sports science very much trumps the advantages that the last generation got from doping.
Ahh... now I feel much better..
No worries then..
 
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LaFlorecita said:
I thought Alberto looked pretty fresh at 4600 meters, must be all those extra red blood cells:p

The things they are now doing to be able to extract blood is beyond human comprehension.

Did WADA show up to take samples?
 
May 26, 2010
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Roman Kreuziger @Roman86_K · 5 hours ago

Well,I had #ABP control this morning after more than 11months and after #Kilimanjaro trip,very curious.Is this way how it should work?
11months between ABP tests?????
 
May 26, 2010
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so riders getting tested every 11 months , wow cleaner sport for sure. No wonder so many clean riders can win big races:rolleyes:
 
veganrob said:
The 11 months between testing is pretty disturbing. But, is it possible they want a sample at altitude to compare to other samples?
For me, the timing is the interesting question. My limited understanding is cyclists use altitude trips to escape irregular parameters in the ABP.

If someone could please explain the altitude loophole in plain English, that would be great.
 
LaFlorecita said:
I wonder how often the big guys get tested?

Once an athlete somehow gets onto the UCI's favored status list, frequency of testing does not matter.

In a system that actually wasn't corrupt, it is not necessarily about the frequency of testing in ABP. It's tracking the change in values.
 
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Netserk said:
I wonder if Clement is referring to 2nd time in eleven months, ie he was tested in january and then again in november....
or 2nd time in 11 months, ie. he was tested in january, and in the eleven months since has been tested twice.

I would say what Stef actually means is that he was tested 11 months ago, and twice since, so three times in the last eleven months, as we know he rode the tour and allegedly ALL competitors in the Tour had BP samples taken pre race..

Forgive me if i dont believe a word riders say about how often they are tested. Maybe that was Romans second BP sample in 11 months (well plus the one 11 months ago), but what about the in competition samples, some of which would be used for the BP..
 
DirtyWorks said:
For me, the timing is the interesting question. My limited understanding is cyclists use altitude trips to escape irregular parameters in the ABP.

If someone could please explain the altitude loophole in plain English, that would be great.
No, altitude causes irregular parameters

of course they could simply use altitude training as an excuse for irregular parameters

but it's very strange to say the least that Roman is tested 6 days after being at 6000m above sea level

that blood sample is basically useless unless 1) they're trying to frame him 2) as veganrob suggested they want a sample at altitude to compare
 
TheGame said:
I wonder if Clement is referring to 2nd time in eleven months, ie he was tested in january and then again in november....
or 2nd time in 11 months, ie. he was tested in january, and in the eleven months since has been tested twice.

I would say what Stef actually means is that he was tested 11 months ago, and twice since, so three times in the last eleven months, as we know he rode the tour and allegedly ALL competitors in the Tour had BP samples taken pre race..

Forgive me if i dont believe a word riders say about how often they are tested. Maybe that was Romans second BP sample in 11 months (well plus the one 11 months ago), but what about the in competition samples, some of which would be used for the BP..
You'd think riders would know exactly how many times they have been tested (and when) since they can see the results from every single test.
 
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TheGame said:
I wonder if Clement is referring to 2nd time in eleven months, ie he was tested in january and then again in november....
or 2nd time in 11 months, ie. he was tested in january, and in the eleven months since has been tested twice.

I would say what Stef actually means is that he was tested 11 months ago, and twice since, so three times in the last eleven months, as we know he rode the tour and allegedly ALL competitors in the Tour had BP samples taken pre race..

Forgive me if i dont believe a word riders say about how often they are tested. Maybe that was Romans second BP sample in 11 months (well plus the one 11 months ago), but what about the in competition samples, some of which would be used for the BP..
I would expect for something like ABP to actually work a rider would need to be tested OOC once a month at least with in competition testing to assist those results. In competition testing is the podium plus 2 or 3 others is not. So unless a rider is on the podium consistently then how do they test them?
 
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Benotti69 said:
I would expect for something like ABP to actually work a rider would need to be tested OOC once a month at least with in competition testing to assist those results. In competition testing is the podium plus 2 or 3 others is not. So unless a rider is on the podium consistently then how do they test them?
All the Pro tour teams and riders> That would be @ 18x20+ which be say 400 riders. That's a lot of people they would need to take those tests. Not that what you say is wrong in theory, just how feasible is it?
 
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Nick C. said:
All the Pro tour teams and riders> That would be @ 18x20+ which be say 400 riders. That's a lot of people they would need to take those tests. Not that what you say is wrong in theory, just how feasible is it?
Why is it not feasible?
 
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Benotti69 said:
Why is it not feasible?
How many people would they need to do that? I guess if the different nations use their people it works. I have no idea how many people there are that actually do testing. Is it a handful per nation? Hundreds? do they do other sports too (yeah right lol).
 
Will be interesting to see if vayer is right; If Riis and Vino really will be gone when the "big" report goes public. Seriously doubt it.

No matter what, really fun how long the danish anti doping report have been under way. Luckily for guys like Nicki Sørensen, who got to do his swansong and retire, before anything became public.
 

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