Human Growth Hormone Test could be upon us..

[Oldman]

Could it be that a load of other sports may be about to join us in the gutter?

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Remind you of anyone?

"This is a medical condition that begins with the overgrowth of facial bone and connecting tissue, leading to a changed appearance that includes protruding jaw and eyebrow bones. This condition also leads to an abnormal growth of the hands and feet with an increased growth of hair all over the body."

Richard Virenque was the first posterboy for the syndrome. He appeared to be relatively hairless but the French housewives still loved him.

 

[BikeCentric]

I didn't think that using transfusions increased the need for recovery - surely having a boosted aerobic capacity enables the athlete to ride faster for a given intensity? In which case transfusions would be beneficial with or without hgh.

Well I don't know this for a fact, but I am thinking that riding with a jacked hematocrit % allows a rider to go harder than he naturally could which places increased stress on the body, thus increasing the need for recovery.

 

[BroDeal]

Well I don't know this for a fact, but I am thinking that riding with a jacked hematocrit % allows a rider to go harder than he naturally could which places increased stress on the body, thus increasing the need for recovery.

The fip side might also be true. For a given pace the rider is riding at a lower percentage of max. For most days, when the riders just hangs in the middel of the pack, there would be less need for recovery.

 

[Prodigy]

We may have seen this from Joe Papp's blog on a possible new test for autologous blood doping.

http://joepapp.blogspot.com/2010/02/we-got-this-one-in-bag.html

 

[Oldman]

The fip side might also be true. For a given pace the rider is riding at a lower percentage of max. For most days, when the riders just hangs in the middel of the pack, there would be less need for recovery.

This would be the major benefit for blood boosting and EPO (assuming you have the added insulin and iron factors to raise hemo) but they're likely symbiotic in effect. If you can go harder than natural ability allows you still need to recover. You need both.

 

[Escarabajo]

That is not really a recovery product.

It helps recovery though. You know that. the more oxygen the body cells receive the less the death rate there is. That's also recovery. Just saying.

 

[Escarabajo]

Did you guys read about the article in Cyclingnews?

While the possibility of sanction may prove to be a powerful deterrent for the use of hGH, recent scientific studies have also suggested the expensive drug is worthless in increasing athletic performance.

Who can provide a link of this study? Is it true?


On another note, I believe the Rugby guys, just like in American Football players abuse the HGH because of the nature of the sports. Too many injuries. I am not sure if the doses amounts matters when testing just like EPO. Because that could make the difference for cycling.

 

[MacRoadie]

While the possibility of sanction may prove to be a powerful deterrent for the use of hGH, recent scientific studies have also suggested the expensive drug is worthless in increasing athletic performance.

I believe that was a companion study to Arnie Baker's extensive work on Synthetic Testosterone.

Should be a PowerPoint out there somewhere...

 

[BroDeal]

Did you guys read about the article in Cyclingnews?

Who can provide a link of this study? Is it true?

This came out a while ago. Used in combination with testosterone there was a benefit. Used alone it may not be beneficial. The reality is that this stuff is being used with lots of other drugs, so no one really knows. Body builders have been using the stuff extensively for a long time, so I would suspect that helps in some way. It used to be really expensive. Why would BBers keep using it if it was a placebo?

 

[Ferminal]

So is the test brand new?

Or has it been around for 6months, and they just decided to pull this guy's name out of a hat?

 

[RTMcFadden]

So is the test brand new?

The test was used in Athens, so it's been around for a few years. Best I can tell, they weren't able to provide the test kits in a commercial fashion before now (recently).

 

[Berzin]

The test means nothing if it's not implemented.

If it's a matter of staying within certain parameters then the HGH abuse will continue.

Just like Armstrong's hematocrit levels in last year's Tour-his readings were suspicious, but what happened? Nothing, which is why the biological passport is a joke. If they are not going to enforce these tests, or if they think being randomly selective is going to do anything, then nothing will change.

Armstrong's upper body is bloated from HGH use and has been since he came back. All through his comeback his midsection looked extremely box-shaped.

The tell-tale sign of HGH abuse is not having the jawbone of an a$$, it's having a bloated midsection. If you don't believe me, just look at the average major league baseball player, especially the pitchers-for the most part the majority have the same barrel-shaped torsos, and that's from HGH use, not beer.

And yes, HGH is used for recovery. Anyone who thinks differently has been reading too many medical journals that have not properly investigated the benefits of this drug. You want to recover from a hard day in the mountains and feel fresh the next day? Try 10 units of HGH from an insulin syringe. That small amount makes a huge difference if taken 5-6 times a week.

And if you have guys like 'Roid Floyd, who supposedly used to take up to 5 times this amount, you see why he now rides like a sucker-because without the drugs he's garbaggio.

 

[python]

BBC NEWs

Bikepure

Thatll scare a few people..

storm in a teacup.

 

[DarkWing]

The test means nothing if it's not implemented.

If it's a matter of staying within certain parameters then the HGH abuse will continue.

Just like Armstrong's hematocrit levels in last year's Tour-his readings were suspicious, but what happened? Nothing, which is why the biological passport is a joke. If they are not going to enforce these tests, or if they think being randomly selective is going to do anything, then nothing will change.

Armstrong's upper body is bloated from HGH use and has been since he came back. All through his comeback his midsection looked extremely box-shaped.

The tell-tale sign of HGH abuse is not having the jawbone of an a$$, it's having a bloated midsection. If you don't believe me, just look at the average major league baseball player, especially the pitchers-for the most part the majority have the same barrel-shaped torsos, and that's from HGH use, not beer.

And yes, HGH is used for recovery. Anyone who thinks differently has been reading too many medical journals that have not properly investigated the benefits of this drug. You want to recover from a hard day in the mountains and feel fresh the next day? Try 10 units of HGH from an insulin syringe. That small amount makes a huge difference if taken 5-6 times a week.

And if you have guys like 'Roid Floyd, who supposedly used to take up to 5 times this amount, you see why he now rides like a sucker-because without the drugs he's garbaggio.

Can you direct me to a link that talks about how much Floyd was taking?

@Escarabajo: Oxygen cause cause cell death.

 

[Berzin]

Can you direct me to a link that talks about how much Floyd was taking?

Drug use-this is a subject that arises in select company. Landis' excessive PED use is why he got the nickname 'Roid Floyd.

But no one is going to come around and say this in public, so don't expect a link.

And if you think I don't know what I'm talking about, just look at his hematocrit and testosterone levels from the Tour.

 

[python]

Can you direct me to a link that talks about how much Floyd was taking?

@Escarabajo: Oxygen cause cause cell death.

i will leave berzin responsible for his own answer but i'll give you a hint - one of the well studied side effects of excessive hgh is a plethora of thyroid problems..

guess what. flandis has a well documented thyroid problem that he inaptly tried to use to smear the testing process that failed him..and the hgh makes sense only in combination with t or anabolic steroid doping..

 

[frenchfry]

Richard Virenque was the first posterboy for the syndrome. He appeared to be relatively hairless but the French housewives still loved him.

This would also be true:

He appeared to be relatively brainless but the French housewives still loved him

 

[Anonymous]

This would also be true:

He appeared to be relatively brainless but the French housewives still loved him

So you like [Jessica Simpson/other large chested dimbo of choice] for her intelligence then?

 

[Anonymous]

The test was used in Athens, so it's been around for a few years. Best I can tell, they weren't able to provide the test kits in a commercial fashion before now (recently).

"The former Great Britain rugby league forward is the first sports star in the world to have hGH analysed from a blood sample,"

Its the first suspension based on a result from a blood sample, previous tests where as mentioned in the thread plasma based.

 

[RTMcFadden]

"The former Great Britain rugby league forward is the first sports star in the world to have hGH analysed from a blood sample,"

Its the first suspension based on a result from a blood sample, previous tests where as mentioned in the thread plasma based.

Can't speak to what the article says. The WADA site itself says it was introduced in Athens in 2004. (http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Science-Medicine/Science-topics/Q-A-hGH/ Does a test exist for HCG?) If you go there, I would suggest you take a look at the PDF in the Download Center (bottom right hand corner of the page).

 

[python]

"The former Great Britain rugby league forward is the first sports star in the world to have hGH analysed from a blood sample,"

Its the first suspension based on a result from a blood sample, previous tests where as mentioned in the thread plasma based.

this is an understandable and typical confusion by the reporting (and reading) public.

a plasma-based test IS a blood sample based test. just like the serum-based test is a blood sample based test.

the misunderstanding is in the fact that currently wada labs are certified to use both serum and plasma tests. they are different tests for hgh.

the latest case was serum based. you can easily find specifics on the differences between the tests (if you are seriously interested) as they are in public domain.

 

[DarkWing]

ok, so it's only hearsay, I was simply curious, because taking 50units og HGH each day is close to suicide.

 

[Escarabajo]

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@Escarabajo: Oxygen cause cause cell death.

Can you explain more about your comment?

All I have read and been told has been otherwise. So I want to know if I am mistaken.

I though the Hyperbaric treatments are based on the excess oxygen principles.

 

[DarkWing]

Ca you explain more about your comment?

All I have read and been told has been otherwise. So I want to know if I am mistaken.

I though the Hyperbaric treatments are based on the excess oxygen principles.

It's correct that having enough oxygen available improves recovery, but oxygen is also a main component in the aging of a cell. That's the reason anti oxidants are talked about so much.

http://www.google.com/search?q=oxygen+aging+of+cells should return some interesting reading.

 

[Oldman]

It's correct that having enough oxygen available improves recovery, but oxygen is also a main component in the aging of a cell. That's the reason anti oxidants are talked about so much.

http://www.google.com/search?q=oxygen+aging+of+cells should return some interesting reading.

Is this more about "free radicals", the by-product of intense excercise? Obviously the added, artificial intensity created by a cycle of EPO, HgH, 'roids and the like would have an increased effect on aging. Would it accelerate genetic predispositions to certain cancers, say gastro/intestinal or testicular?