Il Lombardia 2014

[DFA123]

i think people are missing the point. martin waited until everyone else was spent. martin also has an excellent kick and point of speed. after 260kms, the others couldn't do anything. there's a pretty good chance martin could have won the sprint anyway.

I don't agree with that. Valverde could easily have closed the gap, but was scared of dragging Gilbert into a winning position so called his bluff. Gilbert didn't have anything left though and by the time Valverde took the lead himself it was too late.

 

[Arredondo]

phil is the type of champion who only cares about the win. he already said it multiple times. he's not valverde. he most likely didn't care or maybe he was shocked by what samu did. or maybe didn't have the legs.
still, you don't do that to him,what samu did. it was ridiculous

If a 2nd place is up for grabs, you at least try for 100%.

He didn't made a real impact when he attacked on the top of Alta Bergamo either, while normally he would at least put the others into a real spot of bother.

 

[Piti4Podiums]

Well Valverde demanded more money because he was #1 on the ranking earlier this year

I think that is kind of obvious, when you negotiate about salaries you might wanna take every argument there is, and that's a good one.

 

[LaFlorecita]

that's pure supposition

just ignore it.

 

[Arredondo]

Apparentely Contador injured in 'bad knee' and feeling lots of pain. Report from Tour de Jose.

Good reason to end the season.

He wasn't even with the best 15 riders in the final, so it would be useluss to start in Beijging anyway.

 

[roundabout]

Apparentely Contador injured in 'bad knee' and feeling lots of pain. Report from Tour de Jose.

How much does he pay the media to publish the tales of his "woes"?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Apparentely Contador injured in 'bad knee' and feeling lots of pain. Report from Tour de Jose.

he's just whining again, he didn't even crash on his knee

I think that is kind of obvious, when you negotiate about salaries you might wanna take every argument there is, and that's a good one.

#1 with not even half the season done means nothing number of races ridden and a rider's goals at that point are key

 

[SeriousSam]

I think that is kind of obvious, when you negotiate about salaries you might wanna take every argument there is, and that's a good one.

It's completely standard in all sports. Those people do their best to negotiate the highest salaries they can.

 

[hrotha]

It doesn't really matter, because if Gilbert finished 7th in a sprint of a group like that, he wasn't good enough anyway.

Gilbert wasn't going to win a normal sprint, but what we know for certain is that BMC couldn't win by letting Martin go. BMC had two riders in that group. One of them had spent the last kilometer stubbornly trying to get a gap, but failed. The other one, who's faster and has more of a kick, hadn't spent much during the descent. What the former should have done is obvious to everyone.

Would Gilbert have won? Probably not, no. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been the right tactics at the time, and therefore it doesn't change anything about Samu being an egoitistic, selfish rider who thinks entirely too highly of himself, as he's proven countless times before.

 

[Netserk]

If a 2nd place is up for grabs, you at least try for 100%.

He didn't made a real impact when he attacked on the top of Alta Bergamo either, while normally he would at least put the others into a real spot of bother.

If you're Valverde or Canc, sure.

Gilbert and Boonen only care about 1st. No reason to sprint for a 2nd place.

 

[BigMac]

How much does he pay the media to publish the tales of his "woes"?

You'll have to ask his agent.

 

[Arredondo]

If you're Valverde or Canc, sure.

Gilbert and Boonen only care about 1st. No reason to sprint for a 2nd place.

Then there is something wrong with your attitude.

 

[roundabout]

You'll have to ask his agent.

Rhetorical question obviously

 

[LaFlorecita]

Good reason to end the season.

He wasn't even with the best 15 riders in the final, so it would be useluss to start in Beijging anyway.

yeah, he'll probably finish top 5 or so, and he's never gonna make up 66 points on Valverde.

Not sure why he can never get out of la Vuelta in good shape.

How much does he pay the media to publish the tales of his "woes"?

Not sure. It's quite pathetic though. Just makes him seem like a whiner and I don't like whiners.

 

[Big Doopie]

How much does he pay the media to publish the tales of his "woes"?

+100000000000000.

how he has his thousands of minions is ridiculous who claim he is so "classy". how the f is he "classy". what a freakin' joke. the guy is an absolute p!@k.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's completely standard in all sports. Those people do their best to negotiate the highest salaries they can.

But it's ridiculous to think it shows who is the best rider.

 

[LaFlorecita]

+100000000000000.

how he has his thousands of minions is ridiculous who claim he is so "classy". how the f is he "classy". what a freakin' joke. the guy is an absolute p!@k.

Stop posting garbage. just go drool over the clean and naturally talented rider Dan Martin

 

[BigMac]

But it's ridiculous to think it shows who is the best rider.

Did he say it shows he is the best rider?

 

[Arredondo]

Gilbert wasn't going to win a normal sprint, but what we know for certain is that BMC couldn't win by letting Martin go. BMC had two riders in that group. One of them had spent the last kilometer stubbornly trying to get a gap, but failed. The other one, who's faster and has more of a kick, hadn't spent much during the descent. What the former should have done is obvious to everyone.

Would Gilbert have won? Probably not, no. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been the right tactics at the time, and therefore it doesn't change anything about Samu being an egoitistic, selfish rider who thinks entirely too highly of himself, as he's proven countless times before.

I'm not denying Samu is a incredibily selfish rider. He is. And at this point of time in his career, it's pathetic.

I was just talking about Gilbert's sprint. And the impression he made on the last climb.

 

[Big Doopie]

Stop posting garbage. just go drool over the clean and naturally talented rider Dan Martin

y do you persist in bringing up clinic-related material here? seriously? what is your problem?

i made no mention of "clean" -- you did.

he does have a natural pedigree -- which is what i alluded to.

stop blaming me for your clinic-obsessed thoughts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

y do you persist in bringing up clinic-related material here? seriously? what is your problem?

You're the one bringing up clinic matters. Just go back to the clinic where you can speculate about doping all you like.

and what a fantastic naturally talented rider!! the greatest of his generation!!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Did he say it shows he is the best rider?

he did IIRC

 

[BigMac]

he did IIRC

Or did he say it shows he is/was the best rider that season? Honest question.

 

[Big Doopie]

You're the one bringing up clinic matters. Just go back to the clinic where you can speculate about doping all you like.

Again:

i made no mention of "clean" -- you did.

he does have a natural pedigree -- which is what i alluded to.

stop blaming me for your clinic-obsessed thoughts.

sorry your little guy did not do well. stop being a bad sport.

 

[jaylew]

Busy being useless as usual, I hope Sanchez gets fired/"not renewed", crap season, whining about WC selection, and now this ?!

phil is the type of champion who only cares about the win. he already said it multiple times. he's not valverde. he most likely didn't care or maybe he was shocked by what samu did. or maybe didn't have the legs.
still, you don't do that to him,what samu did. it was ridiculous

What did Samu do wrong? Gilbert had tried his luck and it didn't work so Samu tried to get clear on the descent which was a good idea, it just didn't work. He certainly wasn't going to win in the sprint. Martin had impeccable timing as one team had two riders and both had just made efforts.

i think people are missing the point. martin waited until everyone else was spent. martin also has an excellent kick and point of speed. after 260kms, the others couldn't do anything. there's a pretty good chance martin could have won the sprint anyway.

Martin had great timing but there were guys who could have gone with him. And I highly, highly doubt he would have won the sprint. Still, a good winner...with really, really bad teeth.