Interesting piece on Livestrong

[BroDeal]

I recently watched an interesting documentary called "Pink Ribbons Inc."

http://firstrunfeatures.com/pinkribbonsinc/

It is the story about the commercialisation of the breast cancer movement and the exploitation of human generosity, hope and trust.

Lots of parallels can be drawn with Livestrong. Cancer is indeed the dream cause that has been hijacked to further personal or corporate interests.

Are Charity Walks and Races Worth the Effort

http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/travel/are-charity-walks-and-races-worth-the-effort-1306536923690/

I liked the "Walk to Prevent Walking."

 

[noddy69]

Who cares if all the money they collect goes to "awareness" or educational/information contractors?

Billions go to many research institutes, universities and the likes, yet, no "genius" has yet to come up with a cure for cancer.

Now that is a ridiculous p*ss poor return on any investment or "donations". Billions every year, and yet, nowhere closer to solving any darn thing. Wow, what a waste of money...hundreds of billions that are used to create an entire industry that give people jobs and patients "hope". Fantastic.

People aren't as smart as we think, nor do we know 1/10000000th about the human body as we think we do.

Quick rant. How much money did the NFL in the last 2 years put into all the "pink" uniforms, equipment, "educational" efforts, commercials etc....? Millions upon millions? To do what? Get people to donate and raise millions more? I need to put on my Pink Giants hat now...good day.

Right on, lets stop trying then and instead of trying to find a cure and invest in that lets give money to awareness....forgetting that if no research was ever done testicular cancer would have killed you, but lets forget that and with no research being done make people aware they are going to die because we could not be bothered to put money where it could really make a difference.
While we are at it lets take a large chunk of the money we are getting and make ourselves rich, making a brand name and throwing parties ever forgetting why we are still on this earth......in fact lets make people aware that we had the disease and if you give us money we will inspire others............................to go to hospital, where money that was donated by other organisations to research will actually do some real good and we will get some real help.

Awareness is worthy and deserves money ,but when you have enough to give to research and you dont , you fill your pockets instead then that is just plain wrong.

No genius has come up with the answer yet = correct.
We dont know all there is to know about the body = correct.

Now how the hell are we going to learn if we dont do the research genius ?

 

[sniper]

more perverse spinning from Livestrong over the backs of cancer victims.

The Lance Armstrong Foundation also expressed its support. In a statement, Foundation vice president and founding chairman Jeffery C. Garvey said, “Faced with a biased process whose outcome seems predetermined, Lance chose to put his family and his foundation first and we support his decision.”

He went on to laud Armstrong's “legacy in the cancer community,” saying, “Lance has unfailingly stood by the cancer community and we will always stand by him.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-case-reactions-from-around-pro-cycling

 

[cineteq]

I recently watched an interesting documentary called "Pink Ribbons Inc."

http://firstrunfeatures.com/pinkribbonsinc/

It is the story about the commercialisation of the breast cancer movement and the exploitation of human generosity, hope and trust.

Lots of parallels can be drawn with Livestrong. Cancer is indeed the dream cause that has been hijacked to further personal or corporate interests.

To me this is the major issue with Armstrong, not his titles' stripping.

Livestrong: the story about the commercialisation of cancer and the exploitation of human generosity

 

[frenchfry]

more perverse spinning from Livestrong over the backs of cancer victims.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-case-reactions-from-around-pro-cycling

Too bad a federal judge's decision transforms this kind of comment into a deliberate lie. Just goes to show how Liestrong is a personal brand promoter and financial boon for Armstrong.

 

[cineteq]

It's gonna take some time
Livestrong donations skyrocket in wake of Lance Armstrong’s decision to stop fighting charges

 

[BroDeal]

It's gonna take some time
Livestrong donations skyrocket in wake of Lance Armstrong’s decision to stop fighting charges

That is standard PR strategy in situations like this. Take it as a sign that the "charity" is worried about the future impact.

 

[the big ring]

That is standard PR strategy in situations like this. Take it as a sign that the "charity" is worried about the future impact.

And consider that currency is a fixed asset in a country (usually). All those extra donations, assuming they are legit, are being diverted from some other charity. It's a zero sum game.

 

[poupou]

It's gonna take some time
Livestrong donations skyrocket in wake of Lance Armstrong’s decision to stop fighting charges

If they are comparing that day with their worst day, that has no value.

What is the amount of an average day?

 

[ebandit]

just thinking?

ok here goes..................

livestrong is held up as armstrong's foundation but was the foundation really
thought up / developed by lance

or is it just another part of the myth developed by armstrong.com with lance little more than the figurehead

how much work does lance really do apart from waving to the fans

 

[Benotti69]

ok here goes..................

livestrong is held up as armstrong's foundation but was the foundation really
thought up / developed by lance

or is it just another part of the myth developed by armstrong.com with lance little more than the figurehead

how much work does lance really do apart from waving to the fans

He does as little work as possible for liestrong afaics, apart from wearing their logos at every opportunity he does little.

He definitely benefits hugely financially from it though.

Just to be clear. Livestrong is not a charity. Lance Armstrong Foundation is the charity. People mostly donate to livestrong, which is not a charity it is the brand of the charity. But LAF is the charity.

 

[TheEnoculator]

[/B]

So you don't care what a person's motivation is, just so long as they incriminate the people you dislike? I think most people who have been following this agree that if Floyd would have been given a ride with Radioshaft, none of this would have ever happend. I will be impressed if, and when, something really happens in this case and Floyd receives a settlement from his wb case and he pays everyone back and gives the rest to charity. Like him or not, Armstrong's charity has done more good in the world than Floyd's revelations ever will. Armstong is probably a jerk, and a doper, but what is Floyd?. . four words quickly come to mind: opportunistic, calculating, insincere, hypocritical.

So charity work makes it OK to dope? This is not a character study, this is about paying the consequences of the bad things you have done in life.

Armstrong has gotten his kudos for his work in cancer, but he also doped, coerced others to dope, intimidated his domestiques into doping, and drug trafficking. Other cyclists have been thrown in jail just for possession. Armstrong is lucky he only lost his results. He and Bruyneel should have been in the slammer.

I'm so tired of people talking about him like a martyr because of his charity. He raised a lot of money, but it's not like he helped cure the disease, and he profited a lot from his cancer campaign. You think his fortune came only from salaries and endorsements?

 

[the big ring]

Interesting article from Gerard Vroomen. Read a lot of it before realising he could easily be talking LA + LAF.

http://gerard.cc/2012/06/27/charity/

 

[Maxiton]

Interesting article from Gerard Vroomen. Read a lot of it before realising he could easily be talking LA + LAF.

http://gerard.cc/2012/06/27/charity/

Could be? Pretty clearly is, I would say.

 

[cineteq]

Lance doing what he does best, taking advantage of the generosity of people and keeping his image clean in the court of the public opinion. In Montreal today: http://youtu.be/_oy0GFjC5v4

Expect all negative comments in this video tol be removed.

 

[DirtyWorks]

ok here goes..................

livestrong is held up as armstrong's foundation but was the foundation really
thought up / developed by lance

Probably not. Somewhere between Weisel and his manager Stapleton is the likely source of success of that operation including the purposely uncertain boundary between a non-profit and for-profit lifestyle brand exercise.

It's important to understand Armstrong is like an actor in the entertainment industry. They are the face, while the business team is as responsible for the actor's success does most of the hard work getting the actor into that role. That's why when you see actors get Oscars and the like they always thank their managers somewhere near the top of the list.

 

[Benotti69]

Probably not. Somewhere between Weisel and his manager Stapleton is the likely source of success of that operation.

It's important to understand Armstrong is like an actor in the entertainment industry. They are the face, while the business team is as responsible for the actor's success does most of the hard work getting the actor into that role. That's why when you see actors get Oscars and the like they always thank their managers somewhere near the top of the list.

I agree that Armstrong did not concoct the Liestrong on his own. But he is definitely now a head honcho, in a similar vein to Tom Cruise. These guys get to the top and want more of a say and more of the pie, so they become players too.

 

[BroDeal]

Oh, brother. Livestrong branded investment portfolios.

http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2012/08/31/american-century-stands-by-lance-amstrong/

Can a Livestrong commode be far off?

 

[the big ring]

Anyone else noticing that they are not calling the foundation Livestrong any more?

Even Lance at the Montreal Cancer Congress called it the "Lance Armstrong Foundation".

Is he attempting to wrap that cancer shield even tighter around himself, with a stronger name -- association goodwill link?

Seems a bit off to me.

ETA: read some more of this thread and it's all a bit confusing...

 

[the big ring]

Not sure if this was posted already....

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...rong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all

Pelley isn’t alone in getting that wrong: a search of The New York Times turns up dozens of hits for “Armstrong” and “cancer research.” An Associated Press story from August 2010 described Livestrong as “one of the top 10 groups funding cancer research in the United States.” The comments section of any article about Armstrong will inevitably include messages like this one from ESPN.com: “keep raising millions for cancer research lance, and ignore the haters.” At one point, the foundation brought in a PR consultant to try and clarify the messaging, but Armstrong himself says there’s only so much they can do. “We can’t control what everybody says they’re wearing the bracelets for,” he told me.

At the same time, though, Armstrong and his supporters help perpetuate the notion that they are, in fact, helping battle cancer in the lab. “I am here to fight this disease,” he angrily told journalist Paul Kimmage at a press conference held during his 2009 comeback. In 2010, the foundation agreed to let an Australian hospital call its new research facility the Livestrong Cancer Research Center. And when I recently visited my local RadioShack, a major Armstrong sponsor, the clerk asked, “Would you like to make a donation to the Livestrong foundation to help support cancer research?”

 

[the big ring]

More tellingly, the Livestrong Challenge ride and run events—which depend on people asking friends and neighbors for donations—are bringing in much less money these days. The rides raised only $6.3 million in 2011, before expenses, versus more than $11 million the previous year, according to the foundation’s 2010 annual report. “It was a lot more difficult to raise $250 for Livestrong this year,” says one longtime foundation fundraiser. “People asked a lot more questions.”

Makes me question the claim that recent donations went UP.

 

[Velodude]

Anyone else noticing that they are not calling the foundation Livestrong any more?

Even Lance at the Montreal Cancer Congress called it the "Lance Armstrong Foundation".

Is he attempting to wrap that cancer shield even tighter around himself, with a stronger name -- association goodwill link?

Seems a bit off to me.

ETA: read some more of this thread and it's all a bit confusing...

The name of the entity is "Lance Armstrong Foundation" and that entity owns the name "Livestrong".

It is technically correct to refer to the foundation's registered name but the reversion to it by LA from using "Livestrong" would be propaganda to falsely reinforce himself as a caring and altruistic human being.

He also refers to LAF as "my foundation". Not technically correct as no person can directly or indirectly claim proprietorship over a tax exempt foundation or its assets.

 

[krebs303]

The disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong coming to xMexico
Lance Amstrong presentará:
La pasión y la determinación como impulso para lograr nuestras metas.

Fuerza para vivir: cómo seguir adelante cuando todo es cuesta arriba.
La dedicación y el compromiso absoluto: la diferencia entre ganar o no.
Motivación en acción: las claves para promover nuestro mensaje y lograr un cambio en el mundo.

 

[mewmewmew13]

wow. The disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong is tackling different venues lately.
Any tri's around your neck of the woods krebby?

Maybe he is going to try his hand at bullfighting

 

[krebs303]

wow. The disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong is tackling different venues lately.
Any tri's around your neck of the woods krebby?

Maybe he is going to try his hand at bullfighting

None that I've run across. He's going to be in DF. Maybe around Mexico City that time of year. Plus all your drugs OTC