Interesting piece on Livestrong

[Cloxxki]

The obvious question: How does this contribute to 'cancer awareness,' or is livestrong.org just pretending it has a mission?

No, the question obviously is: who's being bribed here, regardless of the truth about this institution?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I read this piece today and found a couple of others related to this article. Even though it is not directly speaking about LiveStrong I felt it is strongly related in its sentiments...especially w/r to "awareness"----which we all know flows freely out of the mouth of Armstrong.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15/opinion/la-oe-orenstein-komen-20120215

...and related older article
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/health/la-he-breast-awareness-month-20101004

THIS is one thing that jumped out at me from the second article...

"It's a common problem with disease awareness campaigns and patient advocacy groups," he says. "If you look into their funding sources, you'll often find a pharmaceutical company or device maker who stands to benefit from an expansion in the number of people with the condition."

It also speaks to the question of how "awareness education" and campaigns may be outdated and have outlived their usefullness.
AND more importantly to me...the "she-roes" who have 'beaten' the disease vs the actual reality in this message.

I am getting angrier by the minute.

I, for one, would love to see Armstrong's cancer shield and his myths exploded to the public..

 

[thehog]

I read this piece today and found a couple of others related to this article. Even though it is not directly speaking about LiveStrong I felt it is strongly related in its sentiments...especially w/r to "awareness"----which we all know flows freely out of the mouth of Armstrong.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15/opinion/la-oe-orenstein-komen-20120215

...and related older article
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/health/la-he-breast-awareness-month-20101004

THIS is one thing that jumped out at me from the second article...

"It's a common problem with disease awareness campaigns and patient advocacy groups," he says. "If you look into their funding sources, you'll often find a pharmaceutical company or device maker who stands to benefit from an expansion in the number of people with the condition."

It also speaks to the question of how "awareness education" and campaigns may be outdated and have outlived their usefullness.
AND more importantly to me...the "she-roes" who have 'beaten' the disease vs the actual reality in this message.

I am getting angrier by the minute.

I, for one, would love to see Armstrong's cancer shield and his myths exploded to the public..

There's also a element with the "be positive" mantra is it gets used to make others feel comfortable with cancer. It becomes a stock response when you don't know what to say - "be positive" - "think positive thoughts".

People lose the ability care about someone with cancer and just be in the now and be with them by covering it up with "positive" talk.

I'm not a big fan of all this "positive" affirmation. It has a place but sitting in a room with someone, or holding their hands or making life as normal as possible without the flag waving it what really helps.

Alas holding someone's hand doesn't have a financial value. Selling t-shirts does.

 

[doolols]

Alas holding someone's hand doesn't have a financial value.

It might do, as long as there's a camera around

 

[thehog]

It might do, as long as there's a camera around

What year was the final photo taken in?

What's happened to his head and face? It looks strange. Has he had some work done? Hope not!!

....and I'm also hoping he didn't look these guys in the eyes and swear he never doped like he did with Liggett and Strickland.

 

[Polish]

Valverde won this week's Race of the Sun wearing a LiveStrong band.
Don't remember him wearing it before. Might be wrong.
But anyway, hope all is well with his family.
Nice race.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Valverde won this week's Race of the Sun wearing a LiveStrong band.
Don't remember him wearing it before. Might be wrong.
But anyway, hope all is well with his family.
Nice race.

interesting.

 

[thehog]

interesting.

Blood bag number 18 has been wearing one since 08.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Facebook include livestrong on their timeline launch says the texan. Don't what that means tbh lol.

 

[thehog]

Facebook include livestrong on their timeline launch says the texan. Don't what that means tbh lol.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...5-years-fighting-cancer-survivors-1626033.htm

 

[Zam_Olyas]

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...5-years-fighting-cancer-survivors-1626033.htm

Thank you, Hog.

 

[zigmeister]

Who cares if all the money they collect goes to "awareness" or educational/information contractors?

Billions go to many research institutes, universities and the likes, yet, no "genius" has yet to come up with a cure for cancer.

Now that is a ridiculous p*ss poor return on any investment or "donations". Billions every year, and yet, nowhere closer to solving any darn thing. Wow, what a waste of money...hundreds of billions that are used to create an entire industry that give people jobs and patients "hope". Fantastic.

People aren't as smart as we think, nor do we know 1/10000000th about the human body as we think we do.

Quick rant. How much money did the NFL in the last 2 years put into all the "pink" uniforms, equipment, "educational" efforts, commercials etc....? Millions upon millions? To do what? Get people to donate and raise millions more? I need to put on my Pink Giants hat now...good day.

 

[frenchfry]

Who cares if all the money they collect goes to "awareness" or educational/information contractors?

Billions go to many research institutes, universities and the likes, yet, no "genius" has yet to come up with a cure for cancer.

Now that is a ridiculous p*ss poor return on any investment or "donations". Billions every year, and yet, nowhere closer to solving any darn thing. Wow, what a waste of money...hundreds of billions that are used to create an entire industry that give people jobs and patients "hope". Fantastic.

People aren't as smart as we think, nor do we know 1/10000000th about the human body as we think we do.

Quick rant. How much money did the NFL in the last 2 years put into all the "pink" uniforms, equipment, "educational" efforts, commercials etc....? Millions upon millions? To do what? Get people to donate and raise millions more? I need to put on my Pink Giants hat now...good day.

Apparently all that "awareness" isn't that effective as you illustrate by your incredible ignorance. Cancer treatments have progressed significantly and indeed have given hope to many who would not be with us today if not for the research often financed by donations.

Research buys hope, awareness buys marketing for the myth. I know which one is more usefull to cancer patients.

 

[thehog]

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/la...r-star-rating-by-charity-navigator-2012-03-05

Yay!

AUSTIN, TX, Mar 05, 2012 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- The Lance Armstrong Foundation today announced it has received Charity Navigator's top rating of four out of four stars for its excellent financial heath, accountability and transparency. The foundation, also known by its powerful brand, LIVESTRONG(R), has a distinguished 15-year history of serving people and families affected by cancer and empowering communities to take action against the world's leading cause of death.

 

[JRTinMA]

Am I missing something?

The title of this piece is "Interesting piece on Livestrong".....did I miss the piece?

Regardless. There will soon be a new, interesting piece on Livestrong. Written by a major media outlet with some experience investigative journalists. To avoid future embarrassment some of our more avid Livestrong supporters may want to back away from the topic for a few weeks.

Well Race the article finally came out, Livestrong has a four star rating. Congrats on one of your predictions coming true.

 

[Race Radio]

Well Race the article finally came out, Livestrong has a four star rating. Congrats on one of your predictions coming true.

Looks like you missed this

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...rong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all

Blah, Blah, Awareness, $0 to research, $6 million party, blah, blah

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/la...r-star-rating-by-charity-navigator-2012-03-05

Yay!

AUSTIN, TX, Mar 05, 2012 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- The Lance Armstrong Foundation today announced it has received Charity Navigator's top rating of four out of four stars for its excellent financial heath, accountability and transparency. The foundation, also known by its powerful brand, LIVESTRONG(R), has a distinguished 15-year history of serving people and families affected by cancer and empowering communities to take action against the world's leading cause of death.

I like this quote from the head of Charity Navigator

"This blurs the lines between the foundation and its charitable mission, and the personal gain of its founder,'' said Ken Berger, president and executive director of Charity Navigator. "It's mixing two purposes in a way that smells of a conflict of interest. The most precious thing a charitable organization has is the public's trust, and things like this put a Chink in that.''

 

[BotanyBay]

Well Race the article finally came out, Livestrong has a four star rating. Congrats on one of your predictions coming true.

Yeah, so make sure you pick all of your mutual funds by their high Morningstar ratings. You'll be a rich man before too long (not).

 

[Race Radio]

http://goodintents.org/choosing-a-charity/weaknesses-in-charitable-rating-systems

Lots of good 4 Star rated Charities out there, Like Three Cups of tea....Oh, wait maybe not

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-20054397.html

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, so make sure you pick all of your mutual funds by their high Morningstar ratings. You'll be a rich man before too long (not).

Or buy those mortgage backed securities based on the S&P, Moody's, or Fitch ratings. I'm sure they're all AAA rated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agencies_and_the_subprime_crisis

"The three credit rating agencies were key enablers of the financial meltdown. The mortgage-related securities at the heart of the crisis could not have been marketed and sold without their seal of approval. Investors relied on them, often blindly. In some cases, they were obligated to use them, or regulatory capital standards were hinged on them. This crisis could not have happened without the rating agencies. Their ratings helped the market soar and their downgrades through 2007 and 2008 wreaked havoc across markets and firms."

Critics claim that conflicts of interest were involved, as rating agencies are paid by the firms that organize and sell the debt to investors, such as investment banks.[9] John C. Bogle wrote in 2005 that there is an inherent conflict of interest when a professional firm is also publicly-traded, as the pressure to grow and increase profits is relatively stronger, which may detract from the quality of work performed.[10] Moody's became a public firm in 2001, while Standard & Poor's is part of the publicly-traded McGraw-Hill Companies.

Fox, meet hen house....

 

[Race Radio]

Where do your Livestrong donations go? Harassing people of course

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ong-s-trademark-bullying-record-revealed.html

 

[thehog]

Where do your Livestrong donations go? Harassing people of course

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ong-s-trademark-bullying-record-revealed.html

Check out the comments section.... the interns are in full swing:

"Bully? LiveStrong had a legitimate claim! That woman should have done her due diligence - a trademark search at the very least - and consulted with a trademark attorney - an investment of a few hundred dollars - before plunking down $10k on merchandise. It's unfortunate now that she can slander someone else's good name because she can't face up to her own lack of business sense"

 

[sniper]

Some snippets from a piece on potential impact of the USADAvs.LA case on Liestrong

http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-sports/2012/08/08/will-armstrongs-foundation-take-a-hit/

The impact already has hit the foundation. A lucrative contract with triathlons is in jeopardy. Congress is asking — and being asked — about the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency’s case against Armstrong. After years of rumors and accusations, nearly three times more Americans dislike Armstrong than like him, according to Q Scores, a company that measures the likability of personalities.

Yet what if the fairy tale story was boosted by cheating?

In the first six months of 2012, more cancer survivors — 8,000 — contacted the foundation for help than in any other similar period of any year. The average donation has slightly increased this year to $75, from $72 two years ago, according to Livestrong. The number of donations this year is nearly 80,000, more than 20% ahead of the previous two years.

Ulman said the foundation does not financially support Armstrong’s legal case. “That would be entirely inappropriate,” he says.

Livestrong also has pushed back: Its lobbying firm expressed concerns about the USADA case to the staff of U.S. Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., according to his office. Livestrong spokeswoman Katherine McLane said the lobbying firm was Patton Boggs, which she said represents the foundation on its domestic cancer policy and funding goals.

“The foundation itself is a lifestyle brand that over time will have to maneuver its way away from Armstrong,” said David Carter, executive director of the Sports Business Institute at the University of Southern California.

 

[Benotti69]

Some snippets from a piece on potential impact of the USADAvs.LA case on Liestrong

http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-sports/2012/08/08/will-armstrongs-foundation-take-a-hit/

another ouch.

 

[frenchfry]

I recently watched an interesting documentary called "Pink Ribbons Inc."

http://firstrunfeatures.com/pinkribbonsinc/

It is the story about the commercialisation of the breast cancer movement and the exploitation of human generosity, hope and trust.

Lots of parallels can be drawn with Livestrong. Cancer is indeed the dream cause that has been hijacked to further personal or corporate interests.