Interesting piece on Livestrong

[Benotti69]

Here is my favorite part of that article:

"Correction: January 13, 2013


A previous version of this article incorrectly stated the period of time over which Capital Sports & Entertainment, the company headed by Armstrong’s agent, earned $423,000 in fees from Livestrong, based on the partnerships the firm generated. Capital Sports made that amount in fees over three years, not two."



Pretty good fee generation, even if it was stretched over another year.

Dave.

This is interesting because Wondeboy is/was not the biggest sharholder/owner of CSE and I imagine when people suggest wonderboy made $125milliom a lot of that went to Stapleton, Weisel, Knaggs and other puppet masters.

 

[thirteen]

excellent piece: The Last Lance?

 

[reginagold]

excellent piece: The Last Lance?

Dr. McGowan overlooks that Lance needs the public to see him favorably if he is to limit potential criminal penalties. This, the unleaked goal, is far more probable than self serving misdirection leaks about desire to help his foundation or return to competition. The real game is about jail, forefeiture of assets, and all that.

 

[blackcat]

Here is my favorite part of that article:

"Correction: January 13, 2013


A previous version of this article incorrectly stated the period of time over which Capital Sports & Entertainment, the company headed by Armstrong’s agent, earned $423,000 in fees from Livestrong, based on the partnerships the firm generated. Capital Sports made that amount in fees over three years, not two."



Pretty good fee generation, even if it was stretched over another year.

Dave.

plus one day. One of those three years was a leap year. dont forget that day

+1 day

 

[AussieEdge]

Not to mention to keep his cash cow...ummm "charity" going

 

[thehog]

Aggressive tactics?

“This morning we were disappointed to learn Livestrong is utilizing aggressive tactics designed to force us into an unsatisfactory arrangement,” Sporting KC President and CEO Robb Heineman said in a statement. “We willingly admit we were not expecting the foundation to treat a partner in this manner. Even more surprising is that Livestrong would take this action in the midst of a significant transitional phase for their organization.

“Our faith and trust in this partnership have been permanently damaged; therefore we are terminating our agreement with Livestrong, effectively immediately. As a result of this decision, our stadium will now be referred to as Sporting Park. While we are ending this relationship, our support of the fight against cancer will endure. We look forward to introducing new initiatives to assist these efforts in Kansas City.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/15/4012901/livestrong-sporting-kc-terminate.html#storylink=cpy

 

[D-Queued]

Aggressive tactics?



http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/15/4012901/livestrong-sporting-kc-terminate.html#storylink=cpy

Wow - that was a high profile (literally / obviously) relationship.

Dave.

 

[Oldman]

Dr. McGowan overlooks that Lance needs the public to see him favorably if he is to limit potential criminal penalties. This, the unleaked goal, is far more probable than self serving misdirection leaks about desire to help his foundation or return to competition. The real game is about jail, forefeiture of assets, and all that.

Totally. That, and I suspect he will portray himself as just a manipulated soldier that became caught up in the whole scheme. A scheme, he'll alledge; that he now regretfully admits was wrong. "Those bad men made me do it".
I'm waiting for the religion card...it's the only one not played at this point.

 

[frenchfry]

Aggressive tactics?



http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/15/4012901/livestrong-sporting-kc-terminate.html#storylink=cpy

Bye bye Liestrong!

Good news for legitimate charities.

 

[poupou]

"Confession" of Lance may be linked with Livestrong financial problem, explaining why he has apology. I have read elsewhere that a SOL could have expired a bit later, so Lance could have wait but the whole ship could have sunk in the meantime.

 

[Benotti69]

Totally. That, and I suspect he will portray himself as just a manipulated soldier that became caught up in the whole scheme. A scheme, he'll alledge; that he now regretfully admits was wrong. "Those bad men made me do it".
I'm waiting for the religion card...it's the only one not played at this point.

Is he stupid enough to portray himself as just a rider? If he was he would cooperate fully with USADA like al the other riders!

People have woken up to who the OneBalledWonder really is and they are not buying the myth anymore.

OBW does not do religion. I doubt he could personally stomach the kind of person who would believe him!

 

[reginagold]

"Confession" of Lance may be linked with Livestrong financial problem, explaining why he has apology. I have read elsewhere that a SOL could have expired a bit later, so Lance could have wait but the whole ship could have sunk in the meantime.

Maybe, but I'm seeing in the media that Oprah said he wouldn't answer why he was confessing now. Makes me think he's doing it to impact public perceptions before the public learns of one or more criminal investigations. Get in front of the bad news and all that PR stuff. Tyler's book, other sources out since the criminal investigation was paused in February, talk about movements of drugs and cash that appear to raise some serious money laundering issues. Multiple countries might care about that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

OBW does not do religion. I doubt he could personally stomach the kind of person who would believe him!

By all appearances he had more than just indifference for his fans anyway. Which is different than "having fans" somehow satisfying him.

I'm calling the religion card being played if this tactic does not get the results he wants. There's no end of his kind of sociopathy disguised as quasi-religious practice. All the crazy parts are there.

That stadium deal was kind of crazy-backwards anyway. Apparently, no money up front, but a portion of stadium revenues went to "cancer awareness." No mention ever of how much was funnelled to for-profit vs. non-profit but I think it's reasonable to believe if there was revenue, it was being split.

 

[Benotti69]

By all appearances he had more than just indifference for his fans anyway. Which is different than "having fans" somehow satisfying him.

He could 'afford' to be indifferent then, he was the Cancer Jesus. Now he is the doper, cheat, fraud, fake, and a bully.

I'm calling the religion card being played if this tactic does not get the results he wants. There's no end of his kind of sociopathy disguised as quasi-religious practice. All the crazy parts are there.

That stadium deal was kind of crazy-backwards anyway. Apparently, no money up front, but a portion of stadium revenues went to "cancer awareness." No mention ever of how much was funnelled to for-profit vs. non-profit but I think it's reasonable to believe if there was revenue, it was being split.

If he does the religion just think how good south park will be with another espisode of Cancer Jesus.

I think he should align with some of the crazy muslim bros.

 

[trompe le monde]

I wonder if Livestrong will be around in 3 to 5 years.

I'd like to think that any cancer charity built upon the foundation of a person's narrative of a superhuman fight, against all odds, to beat cancer and thrive afterwards as a narrative exposed as a large, rank, steaming pile of elephant herd-like proportions of dung will take a rather huge credibility hit.

Plus, once some intrepid reporter starts to really scratch beneath the surface of what Livestrong really does and what value it provides - it strikes me as a kind of yellow pages for 'awareness' - then I'm probably sure the wealthy patrons that used to support its cause will find Livestrong largely wanting.

It has a staff of 100. Are that many people needed to bring the rather quotidian message of 'awareness' to the masses?

Nothing really seemed kosher about Lance to me. Livestrong feels about the same, especially since it was fragmented into the .org and .com branches.

 

[AussieEdge]

I wonder if Livestrong will be around in 3 to 5 years.

I'd like to think that any cancer charity built upon the foundation of a person's narrative of a superhuman fight, against all odds, to beat cancer and thrive afterwards as a narrative exposed as a large, rank, steaming pile of elephant herd-like proportions of dung will take a rather huge credibility hit.

Plus, once some intrepid reporter starts to really scratch beneath the surface of what Livestrong really does and what value it provides - it strikes me as a kind of yellow pages for 'awareness' - then I'm probably sure the wealthy patrons that used to support its cause will find Livestrong largely wanting.

It has a staff of 100. Are that many people needed to bring the rather quotidian message of 'awareness' to the masses?

Nothing really seemed kosher about Lance to me. Livestrong feels about the same, especially since it was fragmented into the .org and .com branches.

Still plenty of who cares, he did a lot for charity mindset....only exposing the real Liestrong will get rid of that

 

[Cycle Chic]

What caused his Cancer

Still plenty of who cares, he did a lot for charity mindset....only exposing the real Liestrong will get rid of that

and if someone could query why he got cancer in the first place...i.e. PED's caused his cancer. Now that would really seal his place in the mud.

 

[mountainrman]

what Livestrong really does and what value it provides -

I cannot speak for Livestrong.
It was not an option for us because of where and when cancer struck.

But I can speak for the need.

When cancer struck my close family, you discover that beyond the pure medical assessments there is a vaccuum of someone to discuss with, advise on a myriad of related issue on how to live and cope with the disease. Sometimes just someone to listen who knows cancer but is outside your problem is enough.

But the medical establishment is like a conveyor. Nobody really discusses or has time to discuss the broader issues with you, or whether the medical opinion you are given (railroaded in most cases) is the only option or the best option. You have a total feeling of being alone. It takes you in and spits you out with the next instruction on when to come next time.

If you read many still supporters of Livestrong it is clear that that fundamentally is what Livestrong did for them. It was there at the end of a telephone to answer teh 1000 questions on the periphery, and in many cases just listen. That is sorely needed. We would have loved to have had such a resource when cancer struck in our family - just to feel less alone is enough with someone who understands the disease and gives hope and advice.

Of course - I cannot speak for how well they deliver that as a service, or whether the output justifies the cost, but it is wrong to assume that it needs to be involved in (say) medical research to be of any value. Just helping you feel less alone - helping you feel you are part of an army fighting the dreadful disease -putting you in touch with people who have already won the battle you are trying to win - and being a source of advice on options and how to live with the disease is enough to be well worthwhile for cancer sufferers.

 

[Mr.38%]

blahblah...

 

[jam pants]

I cannot speak for Livestrong.
It was not an option for us because of where and when cancer struck.

But I can speak for the need.

When cancer struck my close family, you discover that beyond the pure medical assessments there is a vaccuum of someone to discuss with, advise on a myriad of related issue on how to live and cope with the disease. Sometimes just someone to listen who knows cancer but is outside your problem is enough.

But the medical establishment is like a conveyor. Nobody really discusses or has time to discuss the broader issues with you, or whether the medical opinion you are given (railroaded in most cases) is the only option or the best option. You have a total feeling of being alone. It takes you in and spits you out with the next instruction on when to come next time.

If you read many still supporters of Livestrong it is clear that that fundamentally is what Livestrong did for them. It was there at the end of a telephone to answer teh 1000 questions on the periphery, and in many cases just listen. That is sorely needed. We would have loved to have had such a resource when cancer struck in our family - just to feel less alone is enough with someone who understands the disease and gives hope and advice.

Of course - I cannot speak for how well they deliver that as a service, or whether the output justifies the cost, but it is wrong to assume that it needs to be involved in (say) medical research to be of any value. Just helping you feel less alone - helping you feel you are part of an army fighting the dreadful disease -putting you in touch with people who have already won the battle you are trying to win - and being a source of advice on options and how to live with the disease is enough to be well worthwhile for cancer sufferers.

And here we start to see where the trolling falls apart.

 

[Bicycle tramp]

I cannot speak for Livestrong.
It was not an option for us because of where and when cancer struck.

But I can speak for the need.

When cancer struck my close family, etc...

Every breath you take,
Every move you make,
Every bond you break,
Every step you take...

It's time for you to get over him.

 

[Benotti69]

Our Fight With Lance and Livestrong

Before publishing Bill Gifford's story on Livestrong one year ago, we had no idea how dangerous it was to cross The Boss. Editorial director Alex Heard tells the inside story.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nd-Outsides-Fight-with-Livestrong.html?page=1

The paranoia about LieStrong screams that this is not a charity. But that is not surprising.

 

[Benotti69]

I wish to come clean, i spent more money on LieStrong branding than my wardrobe can hold.........

It's ok. We believe you.

 

[mountainrman]

It's ok. We believe you.

A pity you have to invent what people say and do in order to criticise them - but hey - it does not surprise me of someone who can also try to implicate Nicole Cooke in doping.

The clinic is far too insular - an "echo chamber" someone described it which is why you fail to comprehend how others can legitimately hold other views.

I have never had contact at any level with Livestrong, but as someone whose immediate family was a victim of that dreaded disease - I can understand why there are those who support Livestrong regardless because if they were there to support victims at the lowest point in their lives, when there are few others to help. You cannot amd must not tar the worthwhile efforts of well meaning employees with the deeds of the founder.

 

[peterh]

A pity you have to invent what people say and do in order to criticise them - but hey - it does not surprise me of someone who can also try to implicate Nicole Cooke in doping.

The clinic is far too insular - an "echo chamber" someone described it which is why you fail to comprehend how others can legitimately hold other views.

I have never had contact at any level with Livestrong, but as someone whose immediate family was a victim of that dreaded disease - I can understand why there are those who support Livestrong regardless because if they were there to support victims at the lowest point in their lives, when there are few others to help. You cannot amd must not tar the worthwhile efforts of well meaning employees with the deeds of the founder.

In my personal opinion, those people who work for livestrong have been abused like they would have been abused by a cult. Good intentions turned against them to support a big fraud. I'm sure there are better organisations to support cancer victims; organisations set up by people who have a genuine interest and do not depend on a 'charismatic leader'.