Interesting piece on Livestrong

[Benotti69]

more troll babble

You have done nothing in here but lambast Tygart, Hincapie, Landis, Hamilton all enemies of OneBall with a thinly disguise disgust with Armstong.

Armstrong confessed to doping, like no one knew. He is now trying hard to save his fortune from the Federal Authorities.

Your modus operandi here has been to try and build some support for him by saying that yeah he doped but Tygart didn't play fair, and Armstrong was wronged by USADA, no due process etc etc trying to get posters behind some sad BS scheme to somehow aid this line of thought.

You have no interest in the sport. Your only interest is in Armstrong and trying to sell the latest PR on behalf of LieStrong, OneBall or other associate.

You are failing on a MASSIVE scale.

 

[mountainrman]

You have done nothing in here but lambast Tygart, Hincapie, Landis, Hamilton all enemies of OneBall with a thinly disguise disgust with Armstong.

Armstrong confessed to doping, like no one knew. He is now trying hard to save his fortune from the Federal Authorities.

Your modus operandi here has been to try and build some support for him by saying that yeah he doped but Tygart didn't play fair, and Armstrong was wronged by USADA, no due process etc etc trying to get posters behind some sad BS scheme to somehow aid this line of thought.

You have no interest in the sport. Your only interest is in Armstrong and trying to sell the latest PR on behalf of LieStrong, OneBall or other associate.

You are failing on a MASSIVE scale.

An ancient philosopher once said "beware that the enemy of your enemy is not your frend" You support blindly anyone who is vitriolic about or accuses or helped to convict Armstrong, Completely False reasoning,

Stalin opposed and was enemy to Hitler and instrumental in his defeat.But as those who tried to negotiate with the "enemy of their enemy" discovered, he was no better than the man he opposed and helped to depose.

Landis and Hincapie are career drug cheats, conspirators during and after the fact who were bith responsibe for prolonging omerta. The deserve some credit for shedding light in dark places, but cycling should not forget what they are. Career drug cheats. Neither desrerve the adulation they seem to get.

I take people as they are

With apologies to Us brethren, I have never supported any US athlete or cyclist, and never rooted for Armstrong. They are far too " in your face" , brash and jingoistic for me. My heroes are understated, such as Nicole Cooke,Paula Radcliffe, and amongst the men such as Chris Boardman it angers me that LA stole that prologue from him. I like Cadel as a person too, and Gebreselassie and Chris Hoy.

You make too many assumptions.

You also have no basis to attack the good works and people of such as Livestrong, whatever you think of the owner,

 

[Bicycle tramp]

If you have any insights into the "good works" of LiveStrong, please share and allay my intuitions.

 

[frenchfry]

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nd-Outsides-Fight-with-Livestrong.html?page=1

The paranoia about LieStrong screams that this is not a charity. But that is not surprising.

This just goes to show how Liestrong's main objective was to enhance the Armstrong brand.

After reading his I wonder just what they have to hide.

 

[Benotti69]

You demonstrate the goodwork they do for people suffering from cancer apart from pointing people in a direction where others will assist them.

So they fund research into finding a cure? No

Do they donate money to people who cannot afford the treatment? I doubt it.

Did they promote Armstrong as Cancer Jesus? Yes

Did they use donations to lobby politicians to stop USADA? Yes

Are they a real charity? I doubt it.

They are the mirror of Armstrong.

 

[mountainrman]

You demonstrate the goodwork they do for people suffering from cancer apart from pointing people in a direction where others will assist them..

Read my long post earlier: I cannot speak directly for them - I have had no contact , wrong country, wrong time, but as someone who had close family suffer and we were totally alone for advice and insoiration, I can soeak for the need and I can relate to the many support messages from Livestrong supporters who say they were there for them with help and advice at the very worst time in their lives, so they still support Livestrong regardless,. That dies not make them fanboys, it makes them eternally grateful. Armstrong is still a survivor.

Until you experience it Bennoti you will not understand how important "being there" with inspiration and advice is, and how alone you can feel.

 

[mountainrman]

In my personal opinion, those people who work for livestrong have been abused like they would have been abused by a cult. Good intentions turned against them to support a big fraud. I'm sure there are better organisations to support cancer victims; organisations set up by people who have a genuine interest and do not depend on a 'charismatic leader'.

I agree about abused.

I can say when we suffered, different country and time, there was no shoulder to lean on and cry on, and ask 1000 questions that the medics do not address.

 

[Benotti69]

Read my long post earlier: I cannot speak directly for them -

Then stop promoting the personal slush foundation of a cheat, liar and doper.

 

[SpeedWay]

Read my long post earlier: I cannot speak directly for them - I have had no contact , wrong country, wrong time, but as someone who had close family suffer and we were totally alone for advice and insoiration, I can soeak for the need and I can relate to the many support messages from Livestrong supporters who say they were there for them with help and advice at the very worst time in their lives, so they still support Livestrong regardless,. That dies not make them fanboys, it makes them eternally grateful. Armstrong is still a survivor.

Until you experience it Bennoti you will not understand how important "being there" with inspiration and advice is, and how alone you can feel.

You're stating the obvious. It should be obvious that haters lack understanding and have very little experience in the real world where issues aren't black and white. Just understand that there are thousands of other individuals out there that are grateful for the support Livestrong has given them in their time of need and, much to the haters dismay, there is nothing they can do to change that.

 

[Benotti69]

another troll

Yep we are all enjoying the show. Nothing better than a public flogging, especailly a self inflicted one.

 

[Race Radio]

If you have any insights into the "good works" of LiveStrong, please share and allay my intuitions.

They have great parties

 

[D-Queued]

They have great parties

Sometimes Lance shows up to say sorry, without saying what he is sorry for.

Dave.

 

[Bicycle tramp]

They have great parties

As MrMan undoubtably knows!

 

[Steve H.]

I cannot speak for Livestrong.
It was not an option for us because of where and when cancer struck.

But I can speak for the need.

When cancer struck my close family, you discover that beyond the pure medical assessments there is a vaccuum of someone to discuss with, advise on a myriad of related issue on how to live and cope with the disease. Sometimes just someone to listen who knows cancer but is outside your problem is enough.

But the medical establishment is like a conveyor. Nobody really discusses or has time to discuss the broader issues with you, or whether the medical opinion you are given (railroaded in most cases) is the only option or the best option. You have a total feeling of being alone. It takes you in and spits you out with the next instruction on when to come next time.

If you read many still supporters of Livestrong it is clear that that fundamentally is what Livestrong did for them. It was there at the end of a telephone to answer teh 1000 questions on the periphery, and in many cases just listen. That is sorely needed. We would have loved to have had such a resource when cancer struck in our family - just to feel less alone is enough with someone who understands the disease and gives hope and advice.

Of course - I cannot speak for how well they deliver that as a service, or whether the output justifies the cost, but it is wrong to assume that it needs to be involved in (say) medical research to be of any value. Just helping you feel less alone - helping you feel you are part of an army fighting the dreadful disease -putting you in touch with people who have already won the battle you are trying to win - and being a source of advice on options and how to live with the disease is enough to be well worthwhile for cancer sufferers.

I'm sorry for your family being struck by cancer.
If you were unaware of cancer support groups near you, why did you not contact Livestrong then in your time of need?
Please note your painting the medical establishment with a broad brush seems like claiming every cyclist is a doper.

 

[AussieEdge]

So when will someone have the balls to take this mother*#^#}%^+* down

 

[thirteen]

So when will someone have the balls to take this mother*#^#}%^+* down

we can only hope

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/product/t/livestrong

40%+ off all Livestrong gear.....get it while you can, collectors items

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/product/t/livestrong

40%+ off all Livestrong gear.....get it while you can, collectors items

How soon until the name change?

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Canada sells out to doper

Canada's National Women's Hockey Team (the national sport, no less) has abandoned its national colors and sold out to the biggest sports fraud ever:

http://blog.livestrong.org/2013/02/...nada-world-womens-hockey-championship-jersey/

Only in Canada, eh?

Dave.

 

[cathulu]

That is so sick. Anything for a sponsor it would seem... this may end badly tying the team to a dying charity.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nike is surely becoming the touch of death for sponsored athletes?

Pistorous
Armstrong
Woods

great list to stick your name under eh?

 

[northstar]

Canada's National Women's Hockey Team (the national sport, no less) has abandoned its national colors and sold out to the biggest sports fraud ever:

http://blog.livestrong.org/2013/02/...nada-world-womens-hockey-championship-jersey/

Only in Canada, eh?

Dave.

Unbelievable! Our national hockey team teaming up with Livestrong. I want to puke.

Does anyone know what percentage of the money raised by Canadians through Livestrong actually stays in Canada? This articles states Livestrong has raised $500,000,000 to date and invested $620,000 in Canadian cancer programs. http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/ADDING+MULTIMEDIA+Nike+Introduces+2013+LIVESTRONG+Team+Canada+World/8023391/story.html

Oh, and those black and yellow jerseys are fugly!!!

 

[D-Queued]

Unbelievable! Our national hockey team teaming up with Livestrong. I want to puke.

Does anyone know what percentage of the money raised by Canadians through Livestrong actually stays in Canada? This articles states Livestrong has raised $500,000,000 to date and invested $620,000 in Canadian cancer programs. http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/ADDING+MULTIMEDIA+Nike+Introduces+2013+LIVESTRONG+Team+Canada+World/8023391/story.html

Oh, and those black and yellow jerseys are fugly!!!

$620k?!? That is a joke.

Do you know how much Lance charged Cancer BC for an appearance fee? I understand that one appearance alone cost $100k. Redirected donations from well meaning people, and right into Lance's personal bank account. So that he could continue his lifestyle as the largest water consumer in Austin and biggest sport fraud ever.

Livestrong is a net cash sinkhole for Canadian cancer causes.

Here is a sample letter to Hockey Canada (Contacts: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/60788/la_id/1.htm):

Dear Hockey Canada,

I read with horror about the adoption of a Livestrong jersey for the National Women’s hockey team.

Since when does a Canadian National Team embrace the colors of a corporate sponsor?

That, however, is a minor point.

Lance Armstrong is widely held as the biggest fraud in sport, ever. Livestrong is his namesake. Lance profits directly from the Livestrong.com site, which is not even controlled by the Livestrong organization. Appearance fees for Lance to speak about Livestrong go directly to Lance, and are not, ever, redirected to the Livestrong charity. An IRS investigation was revealed last November.

By wearing this jersey you are soliciting business for Lance Armstrong, the biggest sport fraud himself.

Team Canada has set itself up for a major embarrassment and scandal.

And, as our National Team, you are embarrassing the entire country.

I can only encourage you to rethink your decision. With haste.

---

Dave.

 

[frenchfry]

Canada's National Women's Hockey Team (the national sport, no less) has abandoned its national colors and sold out to the biggest sports fraud ever:

http://blog.livestrong.org/2013/02/...nada-world-womens-hockey-championship-jersey/

Only in Canada, eh?

Dave.

Just another example of the commercialisation of cancer, and the exploitation of human generosity, hope and trust.

 

[D-Queued]

Here is the response that was received:

Dear ,

Thanks for taking the time to send us this e-mail.

Nike has been a great partner and supporter of Hockey Canada for nearly 20 years. In this role, Nike has supported all levels of hockey, including grassroots and female hockey.

With the introduction of a third jersey that Canada’s National Women’s Team will wear for its opening game at the 2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women’s World Championship, Hockey Canada is proud to support Nike and the Livestrong Foundation. The Foundation assists thousands of victims of cancer across Canada and around the world. Nike has helped to raise over $100 million for the Foundation, generating almost $500 million to battle cancer since its inception in 1997. The Foundation’s Cancer Transitions program is available throughout Canada, while Livestrong also operates programs for people living with cancer at two locations in Montreal, and hopes to expand its resources in Canada.

Hockey Canada feels strongly that the Livestrong Foundation is a cause worth supporting, regardless of any past association with any individuals. In the case of Lance Armstrong, Nike has assured us that he is no longer a Nike athlete, and is no longer on the board or involved with Livestrong in any way.

But the Foundation’s battle with cancer will continue, and Hockey Canada is proud to be supporting it.

Scott

Scott Smith
Chief Operating Officer
Chef de l'exploitation
Hockey Canada


Dave.