International arrest warrant issued against Landis

[RTMcFadden]

If you read the statements, Bodry does insinuate that the warrant for Landis was for hacking... but he never actually says it. The prosecuters in France interviewed said quite clearly the warrant was for not answering the summons, not for the hacking charge.

That's the way I've been reading all of these various reports. Ultimately, the court in France has no juridiction over Baker or Landis, and this is a feable attempt to try and intimiate them into gaining that jurisdiction. As I've said previously, the French Court knows the exact process to follow to actually gain jurisidiction, but they aren't following it.

 

[poupou]

From Le Monde

Ce mandat d'arrêt, qui n'est valable que "pour la France", a été émis par le juge d'instruction du tribunal de Nanterre, Thomas Cassuto, pour "atteinte à un système de traitement automatisé de données" et "recel", a précisé une source judiciaire.

Without any clues I doubt that Cassuto would have been able to put such warrant, especially against Baker.

 

[Race Radio]

That's the way I've been reading all of these various reports. Ultimately, the court in France has no juridiction over Baker or Landis, and this is a feable attempt to try and intimiate them into gaining that jurisdiction. As I've said previously, the French Court knows the exact process to follow to actually gain jurisidiction, but they aren't following it.

What do you think is the process?

I would think that any process would include first exhausting all normal channels, A summons, followed by an arrest warrant, then escalation thru international channels.

Landis and Arnie are, as usual, being disingenuous with their response. Landis pulling a Sergeant Schultz " I know nothing" defense and Arnie pretending the one goofy email he sent meant that he was "In communication" with the French. That their first response is to spin this as a French Conspiracy only serves to make them look even more ***

 

[RTMcFadden]

From Le Monde
Without any clues I doubt that Cassuto would have been able to put such warrant, especially against Baker.

But a similar warrant was issued for Baker in Nov, from I've read.

 

[Cerberus]

So, if I understand this correctly, FL can be compelled to go to France, but once there he can not be compelled to testify?

Well whether he can be compelled to go to France depends largely on American law and policy on extradition, but apparently he cannot be compelled to make a statement until an actual trial if such occurs.

 

[blackcat]

What do you think is the process?

I would think that any process would include first exhausting all normal channels, A summons, followed by an arrest warrant, then escalation thru international channels.

Landis and Arnie are, as usual, being disingenuous with their response. Landis pulling a Sergeant Schultz " I know nothing" defense and Arnie pretending the one goofy email he sent meant that he was "In communication" with the French. That their first response is to spin this as a French Conspiracy only serves to make them look even more ***

criminals. hope those cheese eatin surrender monkeys give em hell.

 

[Angliru]

Seems to me this attitude is reflected in a lot of the posts in this thread. USA-centrism? Hypocrisy?

Considering that many that post here, unlike myself, don't give an indication of where they're from, how can you make this statement?

 

[Angliru]

I think most americans don't realize Tony Parker is French.

You're right. I thought he was born in Belgium.

 

[RTMcFadden]

A summons, followed by an arrest warrant, then escalation thru international channels.

There is nothing that prevents the Judge from issuing an international arrest warrant. Except of course his collegues, who would probably question his sanity.

Again, what I think is going here is that the Judge had to issue the warrant to keep the investigation open. His next step is probably to request funding and permission to travel to the US to interview both of them. Without the warrants, I don't think he would get the funding and he may not get the permission. After all, he can't just show up and knock on their door Inspector Clouseau style.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Well whether he can be compelled to go to France depends largely on American law and policy on extradition, but apparently he cannot be compelled to make a statement until an actual trial if such occurs.

To state it more precisely, it depends upon the laws of the country in which he is located, which in this case, at this time, is the US.

 

[Biciclette Bianchi]

As it is the French may not have anything on FLandis without Baker, assuming that Baker handled the hacker and the documents. Under questioning FLandis can just say he does not know anything about it.

It is strange that Baker is not the one being sought.

Under questioning, it will soon be apparent that Floyd had nothing to do with it... The boy doesn't strike me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer. I think that Floyd could probably figure out how to turn on a computer, but hack one? You're joking, right?

(Of course, Floyd probably knew what was being done and it may even have been his idea, but he surely wasn't the "doer").


Dave

 

[kurtinsc]

You're right. I thought he was born in Belgium.

I think most would probably assume he's from the US if they only followed basketball casually.

It's not like his name is Tony Parcour. It's Tony Parker. Most people wouldn't care enough to find out where he's truly from.... they'd just see "Tony Parker scored 16 in the Spurs loss to the Lakers".

I'd guess there would be a fair number of Dutch people who don't follow cycling very closely who assumed Tejay Van Garderen was from the Netherlands as well if they were reading about him riding for Rabo CT and it wasn't mentioned that he was from the US.

 

[DAOTEC]

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[Race Radio]

There is nothing that prevents the Judge from issuing an international arrest warrant. Except of course his collegues, who would probably question his sanity.

Again, what I think is going here is that the Judge had to issue the warrant to keep the investigation open. His next step is probably to request funding and permission to travel to the US to interview both of them. Without the warrants, I don't think he would get the funding and he may not get the permission. After all, he can't just show up and knock on their door Inspector Clouseau style.

Do you have anything to support this or is it your opinion?

Criminal cases have a procedure. A summons then an arrest warrant if the summons is ignored (Which it was), followed by escalated levels of warrants. The French are only on step 2 and have indicated that they may escalate this if Floyd and Arnie continue to not respond.

Of course if the French went directly to an international arrest warrant you would see the conspiracy theorist babbling about a "rush to judgement"

Floyd and Arnie are proven liars. I choose to believe the French judge on this matter.

 

[COLIN LAING]

International arrest warrant

Having been involved on both sides of the law in various countries, and being a 72 year old sage, I would say that both Floyd and Arnie need ( with great haste) to go to the French Consulate in Los Angeles, with an attorney and ask advise from the staff there.
If they are innocent as they proclaim, they have nothing at all to worry about....but, if guilty in any respect, take a change of clothing as they wouldn't be coming home again for a while.
I had a similar experience at the Iranian Embassy in Paris in the days of the Ayotolla and I had to make a swift exit with huge, hairy guards chasing me...
In all honesty though, sweeping suspicious claims under the rug is not the best tack ...face up to it and clear the thing up...

Colin Laing,

 

[Race Radio]

Floyd could learn a thing or two about hacking from this guy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100216/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_russia_porn

 

[Bicicleta]

I don't even know where to put this.. please feel free to move to the right thread. Its all just too weird....

In a Pittsburgh federal court on Wednesday, Joe Papp admitted to conspiring with a Chinese manufacturer to sell drugs over the Internet to more than 180 customers including cyclists and other athletes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_yl...09.grcF?slug=ap-cyclist-hgh&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[BroDeal]

I don't even know where to put this.. please feel free to move to the right thread. Its all just too weird....

In a Pittsburgh federal court on Wednesday, Joe Papp admitted to conspiring with a Chinese manufacturer to sell drugs over the Internet to more than 180 customers including cyclists and other athletes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_yl...09.grcF?slug=ap-cyclist-hgh&prov=ap&type=lgns

This sure did take a long time, assuming this is from before the FLandis case.

I wonder what constitutes the "conspiracy." You can buy all sorts of stuff from China online. If you resell it to friends are you conspiring with the Chinese?

 

[The Crusher]

Given that you have consistently been wrong with most of your posts I am going with the NYT on this one. The Trojan horse story has been reported before, it is not just the NYT saying this.

They updated that NYTimes article:

An earlier version misstated the suspicions of French investigators in the computer hacking case. They never alleged that Arnie Baker, Floyd Landis's coach, sent the Trojan horse program, and another man, Alain Quiros, has confessed to the computer hacking.

Where have I heard that before?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Someone is back on the clock.

 

[RTMcFadden]

If you resell it to friends are you conspiring with the Chinese?

Yes, you're conspiring to evade the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act by selling unapproved drugs, or selling approved drugs without a prescription, or of not being a pharmacitsts, or .......

 

[Race Radio]

They updated that NYTimes article:



Where have I heard that before?

This is exactly what I wrote.

As I see the reporting the Trojan Horse was provided by Quiros and was installed with his guidance. There was evidence of the LNDD hacking on his computer when he was arrested.

There is evidence that Arnie was involved. It has been reported that Arnie's IP address is connected with a user of the Trojan horse and emails of the hacked documents. A person named Arnie was found to have looked through many of the documents on the LNDD servers. This is not surprising as I would not expect Quiros to know what to look for.

 

[Polish]

Polish shrugged

Who is Alain Quiros?

Does anyone know if he is a cycling fan?
Maybe a Floyd Fanboy?
Did Alain use Arnie's computer to do the hacking?

I'm glad Floyd held on to his Yellow Jerseys, thats for sure.

The time will come when the ASO will formally apologize, on behalf of the AFLD,
and return Floyd's Name as the "Official" and Rightful winner of the 2006 TdF

ps...some others have some apologizing to do too?

 

[Cerberus]

Who is Alain Quiros?

Does anyone know if he is a cycling fan?
Maybe a Floyd Fanboy?
Did Alain use Arnie's computer to do the hacking?

I'm glad Floyd held on to his Yellow Jerseys, thats for sure.

The time will come when the ASO will formally apologize, on behalf of the AFLD,
and return Floyd's Name as the "Official" and Rightful winner of the 2006 TdF

ps...some others have some apologizing to do too?

Sure we just need to find an appropriate time for the apology, how do you feel about the 1st of April?

 

[patricknd]

I don't even know where to put this.. please feel free to move to the right thread. Its all just too weird....

In a Pittsburgh federal court on Wednesday, Joe Papp admitted to conspiring with a Chinese manufacturer to sell drugs over the Internet to more than 180 customers including cyclists and other athletes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_yl...09.grcF?slug=ap-cyclist-hgh&prov=ap&type=lgns

i wonder how long that went on? adding to income or defraying expenses?