Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

[Polish]

It appears some think that rich and famous people should get a pass on their crimes. Why should we even have laws if we do not enforce them? Should we add a caveat to the legal code that says that it does not apply to people with an income over $X or a Q score over Y?

Some think that rich and famous should get a pass?
Are you making that up? Who are these "some" you speak of?

But there is NO doubt that the Witch Hunts are targeting the rich and famous people.
Easy to grasp that one lol.

 

[jimmypop]

Some think that rich and famous should get a pass?
Are you making that up? Who are these "some" you speak of?

But there is NO doubt that the Witch Hunts are targeting the rich and famous people.
Easy to grasp that one lol.

You end your posts with lol.

As if to say you easily dismiss the mess your man-crush is in lol.

See the rest of us can do this too lol.

lol.

 

[kurtinsc]

I'm not sure whether this attitude of yours is solely towards Bonds or encompasses the LA debacle...

Either way, it's not about whether some guy lied. It's where the money and drugs came from. And where those drugs and money went. Your PR spin to end either investigation is well taken.

As was the bait. Apparently I'm a sucker for some kinds of troll bait. Congrats...

It's actually about perjury... the charge.

The fact is that if a perjury charge is so difficult to prove that millions of taxpayer dollars are spent and it still has little chance of succeeding in getting a conviction... it's not worth the effort. It smells more like a vendetta then good prosecution.

That doesn't apply to Lance in any way... unless the only thing they end up charging him with is perjury or lying under oath instead of the rumored charges of defrauding the US government or some other criminal conspiracy charge.

Again... I don't have a problem with going after people for perjury... if it's a clear cut case or a pretty solid chance of victory. In the Bonds case, that doesn't appear to be true. Their entire case is rumored to be very weak.

I also apply this to the impeachment of Bill Clinton... a huge waste of money over something that seemed at the time (and still seems) have very little to do with justice and more to do with personal vendetta.

 

[Jagers]

If anyone is interested, here is a link to to an investigative reporter that does work for ESPN. (Mark Fainaru). Apparently he is in the courtroom tweeting in real time as to what is taking place as well as being said as the trial unfolds.

Mark Fainaru-Wada @markfwespn.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yeah, those rich guys are too hard to prosecute. We should not bother. I propose the $10 million rule. If the target has more than $10M in assets then we drop the prosecution.

It's a perjury charge.

If it costs millions of dollars to attempt to prove someone lied under oath and you still have a very poor chance of getting a conviction, then it obviously wasn't a very clear cut lie. Prosecuting attorneys drop cases all the time that they feel like they will have a poor chance of getting a conviction on. If the case is as bad as rumored, this seems like it should have been dropped. People tell "half truths" and hard to prove lies all the time under oath. We generally only go after the ones that are easy to prove. Spending millions on a case with little chance of success on a perjury charge is simply a bad decision by the justice department.

 

[flicker]

To me the trial is to discredit Barry Bonds Home run record, pure and simple.
The prosecution could not make Barry admit that he used PEDS TO ACHIEVE GREATNESS. Now they try to prove he has lied.
THIS TRIAL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STOPPING peds in sports.
The prosecution wants to de

grade Bonds. IT HAS BECOME A WITCH HUNT.
No wonder NOVIZKY LOOKS SICK, HE KNOWS WHERE THIS TRIAL IS GOING.
It must be Real Horror Show for Jeff.

 

[fatandfast]

Some think that rich and famous should get a pass?
Are you making that up? Who are these "some" you speak of?

But there is NO doubt that the Witch Hunts are targeting the rich and famous people.
Easy to grasp that one lol.

While I see what you are trying to say it's not really true. The people busted by cops of every kind for the most part are not rich or anywhere close to wealthy. The rich egoasses like Martha Stewart, Milken, Bonds, Clemens, Madoff,Bosky,Koslowski ,yes are all rich but let their pride stand in the way of a deal that could have been made with the police agency. Hardly witch hunts.

Had Bonds hired a lawyer in the first few days of this and had absolutely nothing to say things probably would have turned out different. So different he could have ended up looking like the victim. Now most of baseballs inside and outsiders look at him as even more arrogant. That is hard to do.

In the US 90% of the justice system is busy catching and punishing people with very little education, money or resources. Just the who's who in our prisons will show you rich and famous are not common descriptions for the convicted. Or maybe you are right but we are just bad a catching witches

 

[flicker]

While I see what you are trying to say it's not really true. The people busted by cops of every kind for the most part are not rich or anywhere close to wealthy. The rich egoasses like Martha Stewart, Milken, Bonds, Clemens, Madoff,Bosky,Koslowski ,yes are all rich but let their pride stand in the way of a deal that could have been made with the police agency. Hardly witch hunts.

Had Bonds hired a lawyer in the first few days of this and had absolutely nothing to say things probably would have turned out different. So different he could have ended up looking like the victim. Now most of baseballs inside and outsiders look at him as even more arrogant. That is hard to do.

In the US 90% of the justice system is busy catching and punishing people with very little education, money or resources. Just the who's who in our prisons will show you rich and famous are not common descriptions for the convicted. Or maybe you are right but we are just bad a catching witches

I agree with most everything you say except for Martha. I think that she has done so much for American Homemakers and it is unfortunate she was involved in insider trading. She did deserve to get caught and do time and I think it was good for her, she seems a better person for it. Martha probably taught her fellow inmates a thing or two about personal ettiquete and cell organization also.

 

[hfer07]

Bonds is going down. a some sort of agreement will be reached to keep appearances but his case has no support at all.


Lance.... get on line-you're next

 

[kurtinsc]

While I see what you are trying to say it's not really true. The people busted by cops of every kind for the most part are not rich or anywhere close to wealthy. The rich egoasses like Martha Stewart, Milken, Bonds, Clemens, Madoff,Bosky,Koslowski ,yes are all rich but let their pride stand in the way of a deal that could have been made with the police agency. Hardly witch hunts.

Had Bonds hired a lawyer in the first few days of this and had absolutely nothing to say things probably would have turned out different. So different he could have ended up looking like the victim. Now most of baseballs inside and outsiders look at him as even more arrogant. That is hard to do.

In the US 90% of the justice system is busy catching and punishing people with very little education, money or resources. Just the who's who in our prisons will show you rich and famous are not common descriptions for the convicted. Or maybe you are right but we are just bad a catching witches

While you are correct in general, the US only has about 100-150 federal perjury cases each year. The VAST majority of those cases involved government documents, not testimony under oath.

While I'm not sure how to find statistics, it seems like in general federal prosecuters only go after perjury charges if it's either a slam dunk, or if it's a high profile case. The Bonds case is not a slam dunk.

 

[kurtinsc]

Bonds is going down. a some sort of agreement will be reached to keep appearances but his case has no support at all.


Lance.... get on line-you're next

???

How do you mean?

Most analysis I've read says the federal case has much less then a 50% chance of success on the easiest count to prove (that Bonds lied when saying he was ever given an injection of any kind by Anderson). The other perjury counts are believed to have almost no chance of success... those where they claim he lied when he said he didn't know if what he was taking were steroids or not.

The government has to prove not that Bonds used steroids (he's already admitted that he did)... but rather that when taking those steroids he knew with out a doubt what they were. Unless we have a witness saying "Bonds told me the cream and the clear were steroids and he was taking them"... it's going to be a tough conviction. It appears all of their best witnesses also have personal vendettas against Bonds... which often don't play well to jury's. One is a girlfriend who had a bitter breakup with Bonds. One is a friend who Bonds filed forgery charges against.

We'll see how it goes... but on the surface a 50% chance of any conviction from this seems to be an optimistic estimate.

 

[fatandfast]

I agree with most everything you say except for Martha. I think that she has done so much for American Homemakers and it is unfortunate she was involved in insider trading. She did deserve to get caught and do time and I think it was good for her, she seems a better person for it. Martha probably taught her fellow inmates a thing or two about personal ettiquete and cell organization also.

If you read what lead up to it..she makes Barry Bonds look humble. She was given at least 3 public chances to say sorry pay a little fine and go on. She insisted that she was wronged and her pride put her in jail. In or out of jail she made my kitchen look better

 

[luckyboy]

Wow, some sportswriter in the newspaper today talking about the Bonds case. He said that there will be somebody testifying how, in his mid-30s his feet grew from size 9.5 to size 12s because of hGH. Crazy.

 

[Race Radio]

Some think that rich and famous should get a pass?
Are you making that up? Who are these "some" you speak of?

But there is NO doubt that the Witch Hunts are targeting the rich and famous people.
Easy to grasp that one lol.

Look, we all know that your schtick is to write something absurd just to get a response....but we can all agree that it is getting old.

The mantra on Berry is that the case is a waste of money and should be dropped. The only reason why it is waste is because Bonds is rich and famous. He has spent millions on legal BS that has driven up the costs of the case. Bonds is famous. This means a gullible jury, a much higher burden of proof, and a much more expensive trail......Like OJ.

 

[Race Radio]

Troll bait

We have heard this babble for years.

Funny that after the 7 year attempt to smear Novitzky, all the missinformation from "Reporters" like Littman, all this "Witch Hunt" garbage..... Yet none of this makes it into the trial?

Novitzky testified today and he OWNED Bond's lawyers. They introduced none of the smear campaign that they have spewed for for years because like most of Barry's defense it will not hold up in court.

 

[JRTinMA]

......Like OJ.

9 out 0f 10 times when OJ is referenced you're dealing with a bigot. The bonds case and the OJ case share very little, except bigotry.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

why?

This thread reads like it is Lance Armstrong on trial. Does anyone believe that the case against Bonds will have a parallel against Lance Armstrong? These are two different "animals". The dog don't hunt Boffeoffem....

Conviction or acquittal on Barry does not mean anything in relation to LA. The case or no case against Armstrong will have a different direction in my opinion.

 

[Race Radio]

9 out 0f 10 times when OJ is referenced you're dealing with a bigot. The bonds case and the OJ case share very little, except bigotry.

If you actually read what I wrote you would see that I was referring to the fact that they were both rich and famous, thus able to finance a expensive defense and a higher barrier of guilt with the jury. Zero mention of race.

 

[Hugh Januss]

9 out 0f 10 times when OJ is referenced you're dealing with a bigot. The bonds case and the OJ case share very little, except bigotry.

9 out of 10 times when you write something it is stupid. OJ is usually referenced because his was one of the more glaring cases of an obviously guilty person getting off because he was rich, in recent recollection.

 

[BroDeal]

9 out of 10 times when you write something it is stupid. OJ is usually referenced because his was one of the more glaring cases of an obviously guilty person getting off because he was rich, in recent recollection.

 

[stephens]

Neither Bonds nor Armstrong have at their disposal the financial resources to spend on their defense what the government is spending on the prosecution. They can make it a little more balanced than the average defendant can, but they are still at a disadvantage against the might of the United States Government.

 

[flicker]

We have heard this babble for years.

Funny that after the 7 year attempt to smear Novitzky, all the missinformation from "Reporters" like Littman, all this "Witch Hunt" garbage..... Yet none of this makes it into the trial?

Novitzky testified today and he OWNED Bond's lawyers. They introduced none of the smear campaign that they have spewed for for years because like most of Barry's defense it will not hold up in court.

I realize that any smart jury would do the proper thing and put me on ignore.
I do want to hear what Novizky says though.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

What's missing is a discussion of the real story: why Anderson won't roll over.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/teams/giants/2011/03/bonds-trial-pushes-mystery-anderson-grows

I don't know this for sure, but I'm 95% positive that Novitzky's real target isn't the athletes and perjury, it's the mob. The pressure that Novitzky is putting on the athletes and their entourages is designed to eventually get them to roll over on the supply chain. So far, exactly nobody has done so. That should give people an indication of the pressure the mob is placing on its customers.

Spare me the PR hype. Doper athletes made a deal with the devil.

 

[D-Queued]

What's missing is a discussion of the real story: why Anderson won't roll over.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/teams/giants/2011/03/bonds-trial-pushes-mystery-anderson-grows

I don't know this for sure, but I'm 95% positive that Novitzky's real target isn't the athletes and perjury, it's the mob. The pressure that Novitzky is putting on the athletes and their entourages is designed to eventually get them to roll over on the supply chain. So far, exactly nobody has done so. That should give people an indication of the pressure the mob is placing on its customers.

Spare me the PR hype. Doper athletes made a deal with the devil.

Hmmm. Whether conspiracy theory or not, that is the first thing that has made any sense of the Anderson situation.

Dave.

 

[flicker]

Being from San Francisco, I agree with Art Spander, the Bonds trial is an incredible waste of money and energy.
We are in monetary deficit right now, double digit employment, two wars fought at the same time, and the Giants just won the series. Furthermore, this trial will not slow down PED use, nail the mob, nor set a good example for our young people. A no win situation.