Is Froome The only rider who can take down Contador in the tour?

[Pentacycle]

with 10 you mean 5? and weight doesn't mean much, see wiggins vs cancellara

The weights listed for Contador and Froome are 62 and 72 kgs, I don't trust those numbers at all but it's all you have.

About time trialling Wiggins/Cancellara now seem to be on the same level, which only shows why Cancellara is a way worse climber. Wiggins has the same power, with about ten kgs less to haul over the mountains. Though position and efficiency are a key factor too. Some riders have a lot of power which all goes to waste, just because they can't get their position right. Froome could still get closer to Wiggins imo, if he can get a better aero position.

 

[shades1]

"IF" hes fit !!! i consider andy schleck far more of a threat than froome . and i reckon AC thinks the same .

 

[ferryman]

No. Schleck, Pinot and Quintana I would say.

The latter two because I believe they have the potential to match Contador.
I don't personally believe they will manage it but they can. Schleck is Schleck and he certainly can, once again will he? Maybe.. maybe not.
Froome is the only one which may have the ability to take on Contador who you would be confident will be on a level close to Contador's by the time July swings around.

Oh deary me. Get your Sky crusts out your eyes kid.

 

[airstream]

Oh deary me. Get your Sky crusts out your eyes kid.

What makes you neglect Sky chances so branzenly? You are against new faces on top or what?

 

[Froome19]

Oh deary me. Get your Sky crusts out your eyes kid.

Ummm...care to explain how you think Pinot/Quintana/Schleck are more likely to challenge Contador than Froome?

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

We, and by this I mean the spectating public, are yet to see the full extent of Froome's capabilities. In fairness, so is Froome.

Make no mistake, Froome will be the de facto leader of Sky come July, regardless of what may appear in the press, provided that Contador shows up to ride. Wiggins made the most of his opportunities in 2012, but it will take an exceptional GT talent to unseat Contador, and Froome is probably the only rider with a chance at this.

Contador rarely drops the ball. Can Froome keep his nerve?

It's going to be great

What if Wiggins survives the mountains to stage 11 then takes the yellow jersey in the first ITT. Surely Sky will defend the jersey for Wiggins a la Sky train?

 

[T-Nielsen]

I think Froome will give Contador as much trouble in the tdf as he has given him in GTs so far.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The weights listed for Contador and Froome are 62 and 72 kgs, I don't trust those numbers at all but it's all you have.

About time trialling Wiggins/Cancellara now seem to be on the same level, which only shows why Cancellara is a way worse climber. Wiggins has the same power, with about ten kgs less to haul over the mountains. Though position and efficiency are a key factor too. Some riders have a lot of power which all goes to waste, just because they can't get their position right. Froome could still get closer to Wiggins imo, if he can get a better aero position.

froome is nowhere near 72 kg

 

[airstream]

The fact remains: in the Tour Froome showed a TT level Contador can't dream of. Very likely, Contador will have to lose the ground in time trials.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The fact remains: in the Tour Froome showed a TT level Contador can't dream of. Very likely, Contador will have to lose the ground in time trials.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:48:31
2 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:03
3 Mikhail Ignatiev (Rus) Team Katusha 0:00:15
4 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:32
5 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:00:40
6 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:00:42
7 Luis León Sánchez Gil (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0:00:43
8 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Agritubel 0:00:45
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 0:00:53
10 David Zabriskie (USA) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:01
11 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:04
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:14
13 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:18
14 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quick Step 0:01:19
15 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Team Katusha 0:01:27
16 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:01:29
17 Stef Clement (Ned) Rabobank 0:01:37
18 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:38
19 Michael Rogers (Aus) Team Columbia - HTC
20 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:41




how many itt wins does froome have?

 

[The Blues]

First of all, I don't think Contador has that time trial-level still. No doubt he's a great tt-ist at the end of a GT, but I would also rate Froome higher honestly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

First of all, I don't think Contador has that time trial-level still. No doubt he's a great tt-ist at the end of a GT, but I would also rate Froome higher honestly.

I don't think so either, but aristream again came with hilarious claims. just read the bolded part I responded to

 

[Pentacycle]

froome is nowhere near 72 kg

According to his own website he's 69 kgs, it's still a significant difference with Contador.

 

[Ferminal]

Agreed. Plus I think Contador showed in the Vuelta that he's still ITT'ing very well and we must not forget he was beating Millar in 2011 before he eased up.

I can't really separate them on the flat although I lean Froome maybe just. I probably give Contador the advantage in the mountainous one based on technical ability. In any case I think the difference between them in total TT will be <30".

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

According to his own website he's 69 kgs, it's still a significant difference with Contador.

but like I said it's meaningless weight. especially if you factor in height as well which is disadvantage in itt. so in bmi way contador has more bulk than froome

 

[airstream]

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:48:31
2 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:03
3 Mikhail Ignatiev (Rus) Team Katusha 0:00:15
4 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:32
5 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:00:40
6 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:00:42
7 Luis León Sánchez Gil (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0:00:43
8 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Agritubel 0:00:45
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 0:00:53
10 David Zabriskie (USA) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:01
11 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:04
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:14
13 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:18
14 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quick Step 0:01:19
15 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Team Katusha 0:01:27
16 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:01:29
17 Stef Clement (Ned) Rabobank 0:01:37
18 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:38
19 Michael Rogers (Aus) Team Columbia - HTC
20 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team Columbia - HTC 0:01:41




how many itt wins does froome have?

Thank you! I didn't knew about that.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Thank you! I didn't knew about that.

it was a race you might've heard about. the tour de france...

:facepalm:

 

[The Hitch]

Thank you! I didn't knew about that.

that's funny. I had this exact same argument with you last year and when i showed you that tt you said you had forgotten about it.

So you conveniently keep forgetting all the races contador does well.in?.no wonder you think he is crap.

 

[airstream]

that's funny. I had this exact same argument with you last year and when i showed you that tt you said you had forgotten about it.

So you conveniently keep forgetting all the races contador does well.in?.no wonder you think he is crap.

No, I just was being ironic. We (me and you) discussed that TT numerous times.

 

[serfla]

Hey, Ryo... Look at this:

Tour de France 2010
Stage 19: Bordeaux - Pauillac 52km

1 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team Saxo Bank 1:00:56
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:17
3 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:01:48
4 Ignatas Konovalovas (Ltu) Cervelo Test Team 0:02:34
5 David Zabriskie (USA) Garmin - Transitions 0:03:00
6 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank 0:03:03
7 Vasili Kiryienka (Blr) Caisse d'Epargne 0:03:10
8 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 0:03:21
9 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:03:33
10 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:03:38
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.
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35 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:05:43
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... Or it doesn't count?

 

[cineteq]

Hey, Ryo... Look at this:

Tour de France 2010
Stage 19: Bordeaux - Pauillac 52km

1 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team Saxo Bank 1:00:56
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:17
3 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:01:48
4 Ignatas Konovalovas (Ltu) Cervelo Test Team 0:02:34
5 David Zabriskie (USA) Garmin - Transitions 0:03:00
6 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank 0:03:03
7 Vasili Kiryienka (Blr) Caisse d'Epargne 0:03:10
8 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 0:03:21
9 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:03:33
10 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:03:38
.
.
.
35 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:05:43
.
.
... Or it doesn't count?

Of course it does, that was year later.

 

[Parrulo]

oh the usual " let's post the results of the last itt of the 2010 and "forget" to mention the massive wind changes and see if it sticks"

hadn't been done in a while. . . . contador's peformance that day wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as the final results make it look.

only menchov did great that day from the GC guys and he still finished 4 minutes down

 

[airstream]

oh the usual " let's post the results of the last itt of the 2010 and "forget" to mention the massive wind changes and see if it sticks"

hadn't been done in a while. . . . contador's peformance that day wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as the final results make it look.

only menchov did great that day from the GC guys and he still finished 4 minutes down

However the result of 09 TT is posted with no lesser enthusiasm, isn't it?

 

[serfla]

oh the usual " let's post the results of the last itt of the 2010 and "forget" to mention the massive wind changes and see if it sticks"

hadn't been done in a while. . . . contador's peformance that day wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as the final results make it look.

only menchov did great that day from the GC guys and he still finished 4 minutes down

No, no... We should stick to the 2009 one and be sure that's it.
Maybe "the massive wind changes" happen again. Maybe some riders do better in the wind.
Since they don't ride in vacuum, under ideal (and same) conditions for every rider, it's fair to be mentioned.
Also, that year Contador was just slightly better than some notably awful time trialers who rode in the same conditions.
Superior, as well as bad, time trials aren't the rule in Contador's case. More like exception.

 

[Siriuscat]

Good grief, Airstream moulding arguements around what he can win!!!

2010 Bordeaux to Paulliac......... The contenders for the race rode into a very strong headwind that had developed during the day, early riders pushing into a 5mph wind the contenders 15 - 20mph....THAT was the significant feature of that Time Trial, nothing else!!