Is the new "clean" era over?

[RobbieCanuck]

Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:



Evans

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re: Re:

George Hincapie on Pla d'Adet. Easy.

I still laugh at that "performance". What a hilarious day.

 

[Archibald]

Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:


1. 2015: 44:32 Thibaut Pinot 15.63 km/h
2. 2015: 45:06 Domenico Pozzovivo 15.43 km/h
3. 2015: 45:09 Simon Spilak 15.42 km/h
4. 2015: 45:15 Miguel Angel Lopez 15.38 km/h
5. 2015: 45:15 Geraint Thomas 15.38 km/h
6. 2007: 45:47 David Lopez 15.20 km/h
7. 2015: 45:47 Jakob Fuglsang 15.20 km/h
8. 2015: 45:50 Jan Hirt 15.19 km/h
9. 2007: 45:59 Jens Voigt 15.14 km/h
10. 2015: 46:01 Sergio Luis Henao 15.12 km/h

11. 2007: 46:07 Robert Gesink 15.09 km/h
12. 2005: 46:09 Levi Leipheimer 15.08 km/h
13. 2015: 46:09 Tom Dumoulin 15.08 km/h
14. 2015: 46:12 Rafal Majka 15.06 km/h
15. 2007: 46:20 Damiano Cunego 15.02 km/h
16. 2005: 46:24 Georg Totschnig 15.00 km/h
17. 2007: 46:33 Laurens Ten Dam 14.95 km/h
18. 2015: 46:48 Sébastien Reichenbach 14.87 km/h
19. 2015: 46:48 Steve Morabito 14.87 km/h
20. 2015: 46:48 Laurens Ten Dam 14.87 km/h
21. 2015: 46:48 Warren Barguil 14.87 km/h
22. 2007: 46:51 Leonardo Bertagnolli 14.86 km/h
23. 2007: 46:57 Levi Leipheimer 14.82 km/h
24. 2007: 46:57 Christian Pfannberger 14.82 km/h
25. 2005: 46:59 Jan Ullrich 14.81 km/h
26. 2015: 46:59 Robert Gesink 14.81 km/h
27. 2015: 47:07 Esteban Chaves 14.77 km/h
28. 2007: 47:16 Chris Anker Sørensen 14.72 km/h
29. 2005: 47:21 Cadel Evans 14.70 km/h
30. 2007: 47:30 Josep Jufre 14.65 km/h
31. 2005: 47:33 Jörg Jaksche 14.64 km/h
32. 2015: 47:35 Joseph Lloyd Dombrowski 14.63 km/h
33. 2015: 47:37 Bob Jungels 14.62 km/h
34. 2015: 47:37 Kristijan Durasek 14.62 km/h
35. 2005: 47:50 Tadej Valjavec 14.55 km/h
36. 2007: 47:57 Marzio Bruseghin 14.52 km/h
37. 2007: 48:02 Wim Van Huffel 14.49 km/h
38. 2007: 48:14 Maxime Monfort 14.43 km/h
39. 2007: 48:20 Florian Stalder 14.40 km/h
40. 2015: 48:29 Ben Hermans 14.36 km/h
41. 2007: 48:35 Davide Rebellin 14.33 km/h
42. 2007: 48:35 Andrea Tonti 14.33 km/h
43. 2007: 48:51 Peter Velits 14.25 km/h
44. 2005: 48:55 Saul Raisin 14.23 km/h
45. 2007: 48:56 Martin Elmiger 14.22 km/h
46. 2005: 48:57 Marco Fertonani 14.22 km/h
47. 2015: 49:00 Kanstantsin Siutsou 14.20 km/h
48. 2015: 49:02 Daniel Moreno 14.19 km/h
49. 2007: 49:07 Amaël Moinard 14.17 km/h
50. 2007: 49:14 Koos Moerenhout 14.14 km/h

v2015 maybe...

unless you want to look at Levi? slower in 2007 because he read the 2006 memo to stop

 

[Benotti69]

It is ok Cavendish said no one dopes anymore

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/othersport/585102/Mark-Cavendish-race-organiser-blast-Tour-de-France

"The thing is now, people don’t dope any more, so people can’t go on a day-long breakaway in the mountains.

what a joker......hohohoho hahahaha good one Mark.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:

Evans

Nope.

 

[Nick C.]

Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:


1. 2015: 44:32 Thibaut Pinot 15.63 km/h
2. 2015: 45:06 Domenico Pozzovivo 15.43 km/h
3. 2015: 45:09 Simon Spilak 15.42 km/h
4. 2015: 45:15 Miguel Angel Lopez 15.38 km/h
5. 2015: 45:15 Geraint Thomas 15.38 km/h
6. 2007: 45:47 David Lopez 15.20 km/h
7. 2015: 45:47 Jakob Fuglsang 15.20 km/h
8. 2015: 45:50 Jan Hirt 15.19 km/h
9. 2007: 45:59 Jens Voigt 15.14 km/h
10. 2015: 46:01 Sergio Luis Henao 15.12 km/h

11. 2007: 46:07 Robert Gesink 15.09 km/h
12. 2005: 46:09 Levi Leipheimer 15.08 km/h
13. 2015: 46:09 Tom Dumoulin 15.08 km/h
14. 2015: 46:12 Rafal Majka 15.06 km/h
15. 2007: 46:20 Damiano Cunego 15.02 km/h
16. 2005: 46:24 Georg Totschnig 15.00 km/h
17. 2007: 46:33 Laurens Ten Dam 14.95 km/h
18. 2015: 46:48 Sébastien Reichenbach 14.87 km/h
19. 2015: 46:48 Steve Morabito 14.87 km/h
20. 2015: 46:48 Laurens Ten Dam 14.87 km/h
21. 2015: 46:48 Warren Barguil 14.87 km/h
22. 2007: 46:51 Leonardo Bertagnolli 14.86 km/h
23. 2007: 46:57 Levi Leipheimer 14.82 km/h
24. 2007: 46:57 Christian Pfannberger 14.82 km/h
25. 2005: 46:59 Jan Ullrich 14.81 km/h
26. 2015: 46:59 Robert Gesink 14.81 km/h
27. 2015: 47:07 Esteban Chaves 14.77 km/h
28. 2007: 47:16 Chris Anker Sørensen 14.72 km/h
29. 2005: 47:21 Cadel Evans 14.70 km/h
30. 2007: 47:30 Josep Jufre 14.65 km/h
31. 2005: 47:33 Jörg Jaksche 14.64 km/h
32. 2015: 47:35 Joseph Lloyd Dombrowski 14.63 km/h
33. 2015: 47:37 Bob Jungels 14.62 km/h
34. 2015: 47:37 Kristijan Durasek 14.62 km/h
35. 2005: 47:50 Tadej Valjavec 14.55 km/h
36. 2007: 47:57 Marzio Bruseghin 14.52 km/h
37. 2007: 48:02 Wim Van Huffel 14.49 km/h
38. 2007: 48:14 Maxime Monfort 14.43 km/h
39. 2007: 48:20 Florian Stalder 14.40 km/h
40. 2015: 48:29 Ben Hermans 14.36 km/h
41. 2007: 48:35 Davide Rebellin 14.33 km/h
42. 2007: 48:35 Andrea Tonti 14.33 km/h
43. 2007: 48:51 Peter Velits 14.25 km/h
44. 2005: 48:55 Saul Raisin 14.23 km/h
45. 2007: 48:56 Martin Elmiger 14.22 km/h
46. 2005: 48:57 Marco Fertonani 14.22 km/h
47. 2015: 49:00 Kanstantsin Siutsou 14.20 km/h
48. 2015: 49:02 Daniel Moreno 14.19 km/h
49. 2007: 49:07 Amaël Moinard 14.17 km/h
50. 2007: 49:14 Koos Moerenhout 14.14 km/h

 

[Benotti69]

Manolo Saiz has a team lined up for 2016.......just saying..

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/manolo-saiz-presenta-el-aldro-team-para-2016-18-06-2015

 

[BigMac]

Bob Jungels.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:


1. 2015: 44:32 Thibaut Pinot 15.63 km/h
2. 2015: 45:06 Domenico Pozzovivo 15.43 km/h
3. 2015: 45:09 Simon Spilak 15.42 km/h
4. 2015: 45:15 Miguel Angel Lopez 15.38 km/h
5. 2015: 45:15 Geraint Thomas 15.38 km/h
6. 2007: 45:47 David Lopez 15.20 km/h
7. 2015: 45:47 Jakob Fuglsang 15.20 km/h
8. 2015: 45:50 Jan Hirt 15.19 km/h
9. 2007: 45:59 Jens Voigt 15.14 km/h
10. 2015: 46:01 Sergio Luis Henao 15.12 km/h

Tailwind?

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:


1. 2015: 44:32 Thibaut Pinot 15.63 km/h
2. 2015: 45:06 Domenico Pozzovivo 15.43 km/h
3. 2015: 45:09 Simon Spilak 15.42 km/h
4. 2015: 45:15 Miguel Angel Lopez 15.38 km/h
5. 2015: 45:15 Geraint Thomas 15.38 km/h
6. 2007: 45:47 David Lopez 15.20 km/h
7. 2015: 45:47 Jakob Fuglsang 15.20 km/h
8. 2015: 45:50 Jan Hirt 15.19 km/h
9. 2007: 45:59 Jens Voigt 15.14 km/h
10. 2015: 46:01 Sergio Luis Henao 15.12 km/h

Tailwind?

Only the biggest since record keeping started. Those who are experts in wind, have suggested that mountains in France will have some of the fastest tailwinds ever recorded next month.

 

[jens_attacks]

frenchies reported strong tailwind after they've seen that pinot went very fast
and in interview, g thomas saying they had a headwind in the last part

lolololol ooops

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:

Evans

Nope.

Why not? He was fairly new to road racing and he had no spectacular results in 2005. What is the evidence?

 

[BigMac]

Re:

frenchies reported strong tailwind after they've seen that pinot went very fast
and in interview, g thomas saying they had a headwind in the last part

lolololol ooops

That only shows how good Geraint Thomas is at digging himself a grave.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:


1. 2015: 44:32 Thibaut Pinot 15.63 km/h
2. 2015: 45:06 Domenico Pozzovivo 15.43 km/h
3. 2015: 45:09 Simon Spilak 15.42 km/h
4. 2015: 45:15 Miguel Angel Lopez 15.38 km/h
5. 2015: 45:15 Geraint Thomas 15.38 km/h
6. 2007: 45:47 David Lopez 15.20 km/h
7. 2015: 45:47 Jakob Fuglsang 15.20 km/h
8. 2015: 45:50 Jan Hirt 15.19 km/h
9. 2007: 45:59 Jens Voigt 15.14 km/h
10. 2015: 46:01 Sergio Luis Henao 15.12 km/h

Tailwind?

Only the biggest since record keeping started. Those who are experts in wind, have suggested that mountains in France will have some of the fastest tailwinds ever recorded next month.

Could have something to do with the wind that Verdruggen is breaking right now.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:

Evans

Nope.

Why not? He was fairly new to road racing and he had no spectacular results in 2005. What is the evidence?

Met with Dr. Ferrari from 2000.

 

[del1962]

Wow eight riders climbing faster than the former hour recored holder

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:

Evans

Nope.

Why not? He was fairly new to road racing and he had no spectacular results in 2005. What is the evidence?

Met with Dr. Ferrari from 2000.

Aha - thanks

 

[heart_attack_man]

Re: Re:

Top 50 Rettenbachferner: The 2015 riders take it by storm!

anyone clean here:

Evans

Nope.

Why not? He was fairly new to road racing and he had no spectacular results in 2005. What is the evidence?

Met with Dr. Ferrari from 2000.

I thought that was only to see if he was good enough for the road...? /sarcasm

 

[blackcat]

trick question innit?

is the "new clean era" over?

paradox, is an era over if it never began?

 

[IndianCyclist]

Re:

Wow eight riders climbing faster than the former hour recored holder

what is also suspicious is a guy with limited climbing skills was previously the top guy on this climb

 

[The Hegelian]

However dirty things were in the early blood passport era, things are definitely dirtier now.

There's obviously a very nuanced spectrum between Clean and Dirty, rather like there is between Left and Right (you never really get pure 100% communism or pure 100% capitalism).

But I would agree with the proposition that the peloton edged left (aka towards clean) and then edged right (aka towards dirty)....and is now sliding immutably into some kind of very right-wing hyper capitalist fascism.

 

[del1962]

Whats the connection between Capitalism and Fascism - two different ideologies.

 

[SeriousSam]

Comparing ascent times across different races and years just isn't that indicative

 

[BYOP88]

Re:

Whats the connection between Capitalism and Fascism - two different ideologies.

They both end in 'ism'.

As Ferris said https://youtu.be/4Ep6YVqc6Ks

 

[hrotha]

Re:

However dirty things were in the early blood passport era, things are definitely dirtier now.

There's obviously a very nuanced spectrum between Clean and Dirty, rather like there is between Left and Right (you never really get pure 100% communism or pure 100% capitalism).

But I would agree with the proposition that the peloton edged left (aka towards clean) and then edged right (aka towards dirty)....and is now sliding immutably into some kind of very right-wing hyper capitalist fascism.

Exactly this.
The notion that things never change at all is wrong, but more to the point, it's not very useful.