thehog said:Or hypertheticals if Kimmage was at Sky instead of Walsh?...
Yes, hypothetical - but a persons answer would give a bit of an insight in to whether they had approached the situation with an open mind in my view.
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thehog said:Or hypertheticals if Kimmage was at Sky instead of Walsh?...
thehog said:"I do not take any painkillers or stimulants whist racing or training"
“I do have exercise induced asthma.” Froome said after stage three. “I don’t use [the inhaler] every time I race, normally only when I have a big effort coming up. It’s a bit of a surprise everyone is talking about it."
thehog said:"I do not take any painkillers or stimulants whist racing or training"
thehog said:You could just provide the links, yes?
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MV, I'm your number one fan, but the here topic is Walsh, not the posters posting about Walsh.Mellow Velo said:They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
So you should be flattered, hog.
sniper said:MV, I'm your number one fan, but the here topic is Walsh, not the posters posting about Walsh.
TheSpud said:Which actually is completely consistent with what Froome has been doing - he had a TUE for Romandie. Now, if someone needs stuff like that to be able to breathe then they should probably be laid up in bed - but anyway, that is a discussion in another thread.
A 'classic' would be calling for Tramadol to be banned / controlled whilst popping loads all the time.
Unless I'm mistaken it's still not illegal.veganrob said:I believe Sky has admitted to treating riders with Tramadol and refused to change policy till it became illegal.
Having Tramadol in a finish bottle is certainly not a stretch
veganrob said:I believe Sky has admitted to treating riders with Tramadol and refused to change policy till it became illegal.
Having Tramadol in a finish bottle is certainly not a stretch
"None of our riders should ride whilst using Tramadol –that's the policy of this team. Team Sky do not give it to riders whilst racing or training, either as a pre-emptive measure or to manage existing pain.
"We believe that its side-effects, such as dizziness and drowsiness, could cause issues for the safety of all riders. We also feel that if a rider has the level of severe pain for its appropriate use, they should not be riding.
"Tramadol is not prohibited by Wada, but this has been our firm position for the last two seasons and all medical staff and riders are aware of this. Our view is that it should be on the Wada list and any appropriate clinical use could be managed through the regulated TUE."
Parker said:Unless I'm mistaken it's still not illegal.
why jump to that conclusion? it's not what the statement says.MatParker117 said:Correct but haven't used it for two years:
MatParker117 said:Correct but haven't used it for two years:
red_flanders said:According to them. I don't really doubt it, as this isn't a big deal, but they have been caught out lying in so many public statements that I don't take anything they (or any other team) say at face value. So I'm not sure "Sky says so" confirms much. It's a data point.
We also feel that if a rider has the level of severe pain for its appropriate use, they should not be riding.
Mellow Velo said:So, what we have is that Sky are quite probably, but not definitively not using it, while other teams are using it.
Yes, I can see why that would get flak in some quarters.
“I used Tramadol at Sky. I never saw it used in training, only in races, where I saw some Sky riders using it frequently,” Barry told Times correspondent Jeremy Whittle. “Tramadol made me feel euphoric, but it’s also hard to focus. It kills the pain in your legs, and you can push really hard.”
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...-dont-use-tramadol_325617#IMf73lkqfBjvgHv1.99
love the use of the verb "feel" in that statement.thehog said:Yes indeed. This caught my eye from their statement with respect to lying / Sky.
Clearly they don't hold the same stance on horse steriods
sniper said:love the use of the verb "feel" in that statement.
very new age.
The Team Sky principal, Sir Dave Brailsford, likened doping to recreational drug use last year and his squad's no-Tramadol policy was reiterated at the team's training camp last November. "It is similar to someone having their first joint and then moving on to ecstasy or whatever," said Brailsford last year. "Then the next thing you know everyone is on crack cocaine."
thehog said:What flak? I think you might seeing things.
thehog said:Good times at Sky
thehog said:I believe the reference is that Sky were using it and only admitted after Barry dropped them in it but claim now they're not.
Considering they tend to bend the truth on such matters it's hard to believe or know if they've moved onto another drug for painkilling purposes.
Mellow Velo said:Wait a minute, some will soon come along.........
Right on cue.
I'm pretty sure that any given cycling team would require painkillers.
Be remarkable if they didn't.
but hey.
but we're not in this thread to talk about any given cycling team.Mellow Velo said:...
I'm pretty sure that any given cycling team would require painkillers.
Be remarkable if they didn't.
but hey.