Isaac Del Toro thread

[YavorD]

So basically if del Toro wins this Giro, then Pogi future, as a tem leader at UAE, becomes moot? Lets not get carried away, lets first wrap up this Giro edition.

Noone said that.
I said that if healthy Vingegaard beats Pogacar, it will make sense to go with a very strong co-leader next year And if Del Toro proves to be strong enough in this Giro and then early next year, they shouldn't stop him, let alone let him go as @Cycling111 predicted.

It was a response to his comment that Del Toro will leave the team if he wins the Giro.

 

[Cycling111]

Noone said that.
I said that if healthy Vingegaard beats Pogacar, it will make sense to go with a very strong co-leader next year And if Del Toro proves to be strong enough in this Giro and then early next year, they shouldn't stop him, let alone let him go as @Cycling111 predicted.

It was a response to his comment that Del Toro will leave the team if he wins the Giro.

I'm not saying they want to let him go, but rather that Del Toro would consider leaving.
Perhaps not in 2026. He could accept going for his first Tour as a domestique, but any longer is unsustainable, as was already seen at Visma.

Pogacar lost the Tour in 2023 and under no circumstances accepted Ayuso as his co-leader, no matter how much some insisted that Ayuso should be co-leader.

Pogacar will continue to be the Tour's main leader until he begins to decline, which is why Del Toro will remain there until he decides he's not content with that situation. It could be 2027. All of this if he wins the Giro. If he doesn't win the Giro, he would have more room to achieve his goals.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Noone said that.
I said that if healthy Vingegaard beats Pogacar, it will make sense to go with a very strong co-leader next year And if Del Toro proves to be strong enough in this Giro and then early next year, they shouldn't stop him, let alone let him go as @Cycling111 predicted.

It was a response to his comment that Del Toro will leave the team if he wins the Giro.

Your thinking in the end does raise a question, taking sides, why would Pogi put his potential future at jeopardise. The last thing i do imagine, Pogi wants, is a kid helping him beat Jonas, by the kid winning the damn thing. Hell no.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Maybe Pogi is just helping out Rogla? We'll see.

 

[YavorD]

Your thinking in the end does raise a question, taking sides, why would Pogi put his potential future at jeopardise. The last thing i do imagine, Pogi wants, is a kid helping him beat Jonas, by the kid winning the damn thing. Hell no.

So would Pogacar prefer to be beaten by Vingegaard then?

 

[CyclistAbi]

So would Pogacar prefer to be beaten by Vingegaard then?

Once other team members start winning the Tour his job at UAE is more or less done. So if del Toro is to win the Tour for UAE in next year or two, better for Pogi to keep options open.

 

[YavorD]

Once other team members start winning the Tour his job at UAE is more or less done. So if del Toro is to win the Tour for UAE in next year or two, better for Pogi to keep options open.

You never know how rides improve or slightly decline.
For what we know, next year Del Toro may be very close to Pogacar's level. What do you do with both if this is the case?

 

[CyclistAbi]

You never know how rides improve or slightly decline.
For what we know, next year Del Toro may be very close to Pogacar's level. What do you do with both if this is the case?

I mean firstly del Toro still has to win the Giro? As for what usually happens is as you seen it here, due to social media pressure you take leadership away from one and give it to another. Leader without the stripes after to decide if that is it, or if some other options to exist. It's life.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah, all in all Pogi is just messing with his doms, helping Rogla. Onto tomorrow.

Brilliant!

 

[Cycling111]

You never know how rides improve or slightly decline.
For what we know, next year Del Toro may be very close to Pogacar's level. What do you do with both if this is the case?

I was talking about Del Toro´s perception. Thinking Del Toro will be at Pogacar's level doesn't seem realistic.

Pogacar would´ve dropped Van Aert in Siena.

These days I'm seeing a certain Deja Vu, like when they said that for Pogaar to win the Tour he had to have Ayuso as co-leader because he wasn't that far from his level.

 

[YavorD]

I was talking about Del Toro´s perception. Thinking Del Toro will be at Pogacar's level doesn't seem realistic.

Pogacar would´ve dropped Van Aert in Siena.

Main point is, he doesn't need to leave if he is strong enough to win the Giro.
And if he proves high enough consistent level (which Ayuso didn't), he'll be given fair chances to compete even in the Tour.
As I said, it will depend on the power balance between Vingegaard and Pogacar in July as s well.

 

[topcat]

You guys.
This is the del Toro thread. He's trying to win this giro. The Pog isn't here. There will be plenty of time to talk about the Pog when he's actually racing. Rog is at least in the race, but he's injured.
How many UAE doms does del Toro get tomorrow?

 

[Extinction]

In the saddle making the great one proud.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926645555666526274

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Truly del Toro has another gear at the moment. But will he be a Damiano Cunego or a Simon Yates? That is the question.

Ayuso lives on borrowed time; the rest have contracts until 2030, so it's not hard to figure out. By the way, I'm not a UAE fan—couldn’t care less about teams in cycling.

I prefer individuals more than anything. Indeed Del Toro always intrigued me, him Christen, Morgado and Pog ive stated several times and long before the Giro, Del Toro is special indeed always was.

But I'm just saying, it's not hard to see the distinct difference from previous eras, and the keyword is age!

Right, you had Hinault, Fignon and Lemond on the same team, but then Tapei bought two out. However, this is a different world.

 

[Extinction]

Main point is, he doesn't need to leave if he is strong enough to win the Giro.
And if he proves high enough consistent level (which Ayuso didn't), he'll be given fair chances to compete even in the Tour.
As I said, it will depend on the power balance between Vingegaard and Pogacar in July as s well.

Nobody is ousting Pogacar until he shows a weakness, which won't be soon.

 

[CyclistAbi]

How many UAE doms does del Toro get tomorrow?

Likely all, at least until put under pressure, then less.

 

[Extinction]

If del Toro is pimpante like yesterday he'll win tomorrow, if not the Giro opens. Let's see.

 

[Cycling111]

Main point is, he doesn't need to leave if he is strong enough to win the Giro.
And if he proves high enough consistent level (which Ayuso didn't), he'll be given fair chances to compete even in the Tour.
As I said, it will depend on the power balance between Vingegaard and Pogacar in July as s well.

You're not taking into account that being second in the Tour physically is far superior to winning a certain Giro.

Hindley won the Giro in 2023, and Pogacar was second in TDF2023. Hindley had no chance against that Pogacar in a GT.

Pogacar finishing second this year and Del Toro winning the Giro against Carapaz, who hasn't been on the podium in a GT for three years, won't change anything.

Just as the UAE was absolutely certain that Pogacar would be the sole leader in the Tour despite not having won the previous one.

Pogacar's second place in the Tour in 2025 will still be far superior to Del Toro or Ayuso, as a Giro winners.

 

[2WpK]

With the emergence of Del Toro, I think Ayuso will be looking to leave. UAE has to figure out a way to keep Del Toro and Pogi happy.

 

[jmdirt]

When you guys get done talking about 2026/27, you should check out the 2025 GdI!

 

[red_flanders]

With the emergence of Del Toro, I think Ayuso will be looking to leave. UAE has to figure out a way to keep Del Toro and Pogi happy.

I think we may be getting just a bit ahead of ourselves here...

 

[AmRacer]

You're not taking into account that being second in the Tour physically is far superior to winning a certain Giro.

Hindley won the Giro in 2023, and Pogacar was second in TDF2023. Hindley had no chance against that Pogacar in a GT.

Pogacar finishing second this year and Del Toro winning the Giro against Carapaz, who hasn't been on the podium in a GT for three years, won't change anything.

Just as the UAE was absolutely certain that Pogacar would be the sole leader in the Tour despite not having won the previous one.

Pogacar's second place in the Tour in 2025 will still be far superior to Del Toro or Ayuso, as a Giro winners.

Jonas and Pogacar, who will win the Tour, are far superior than everyone else.

 

[Cycling111]

To put it in context, Hindley won the Giro against Carapaz, who was on the podium at the Tour the previous year.

This Carapaz hasn't been on the podium for three years, not even in the Vuelta. Winning this Giro won't mean anything in terms of the hierarchy with Pogacar.

I was referring to the riders' ambitions. Hindley did one Tour as a leader, and seeing that he was far behind, he accepted being a domestique for Roglic. If Del Toro wins the Giro, it would be understandable if he didn't accept being a domestique for Pogacar. I was referring to what the rider would think.
But winning this Giro means nothing in terms of strength for the Tour. Only Derek Gee finished top 10 last year at Tour, 27 minutes behind 😅

 

[RedheadDane]

He's very relaxed:

 

[ashhutch1997]

I really hope if he has the legs, Tel Torro should do a Ullrich 97 at Arcalis. All the questions on weather Ullrich or Riis was the leader, just end it.

 

[Cycling111]

I feel sorry for Del Toro; he was really in a situation that ultimately proved too much for him.

The ones who failed were Ayuso and Adam Yates, who, as leader, have always failed in GT.