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The opponents have done him a big favor today. Yesterday, they inflicted a major defeat on him. He was also beatable on the mountain today. But he kept his cool and showed several times how explosive he is. The fact that other teams rode him to the stage win at the end was negligent. That gives him extra motivation (and a time advantage). That could turn out to be a big mistake. He has several days of pink, he rides strongly, he has a stage win. He can't really lose anymore and that makes him dangerous.

He's making up a lot of ground on Pogi. Maybe not yet at the highest level in the high mountains, but super explosive with fun on the bike and attacking. He's also brave.
 
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Links2003 said:
The opponents have done him a big favor today. Yesterday, they inflicted a major defeat on him. He was also beatable on the mountain today. But he kept his cool and showed several times how explosive he is. The fact that other teams rode him to the stage win at the end was negligent. That gives him extra motivation (and a time advantage). That could turn out to be a big mistake. He has several days of pink, he rides strongly, he has a stage win. He can't really lose anymore and that makes him dangerous.

He's making up a lot of ground on Pogi. Maybe not yet at the highest level in the high mountains, but super explosive with fun on the bike and attacking. He's also brave.
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He's already passed him in finish celebration style. Saw videos of Pog and Del Toro doing their celebrations, and Del Toro had significantly better flair.

It's not even close, actually.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91Vku-DF5M
 
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Del Toro beyond expectations to a point today, because I noticed that Carapaz's attack on the Mortirolo the other day was not effective and of course Del Toro went on to win. He must be gaining confidence each day. When asked by Gazzetta dello Sport yesterday if he thinks he is a man he said, no I must learn. Learn indeed he has been doing. When asked about today's stage and how he thought he would do, he said "I don't know. I just hope it's over soon". Soon indeed it has been over. Now it's just Colle della Finestra between himself and glory. Ad astra.
 
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Although this comment was in the race thread, I prefer to share my opinion here.



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Imagine being 21 years-old, a few years ago you were a junior, but know are riding ahead of Carapaz, Yates, etc. and are one climb away from winning the freakin Giro!
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He has a lot of merit, but I think the level of this Giro ended up being very low.

I remember when Pogacar destroyed Carapaz in the 2021 Tour. It was Pogacar's second Tour, and he was only a year older than Del Toro. That Carapaz was far superior to the current one.

We'll see tomorrow; maybe he'll destroy him, but for now, I think Del Toro's emergence is inferior to Pogacar's and more similar to Bernal's.

Bernal won a Tour that I've always thought was of a very low level. Alaphilippe and Buchman were top5 . It was Alaphilippe's only top5, and Buchman was in decline. His real rival was G.Thomas, a teammate.
This Giro reminds me of Bernal's Tour.

Del Toro's greatest opponent is Carapaz, who is coming off a difficult few years.
Simon arrived with less options and Gee finished 7 minutes behind Landa in the TDF2024, with Landa being a domestique.

It's a great achievement, but it reminds me of Bernal's Tour. Rivals in decline and in Bernal´s case, a teammate like G. Thomas.
I didn't consider Bernal a future dominator; I don't think he would have been one without accidents.

He also reminds me of Cunego, who also won the Giro at a very young age and he wasn't a dominant GT rider eider.
In the future, we'll see if Del Toro is like Cunego or Bernal, or if he's more dominant in GT.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Although this comment was in the race thread, I prefer to share my opinion here.




He has a lot of merit, but I think the level of this Giro ended up being very low.

I remember when Pogacar destroyed Carapaz in the 2021 Tour. It was Pogacar's second Tour, and he was only a year older than Del Toro. That Carapaz was far superior to the current one.

We'll see tomorrow; maybe he'll destroy him, but for now, I think Del Toro's emergence is inferior to Pogacar's and more similar to Bernal's.

Bernal won a Tour that I've always thought was of a very low level. Alaphilippe and Buchman were top5 . It was Alaphilippe's only top5, and Buchman was in decline. His real rival was G.Thomas, a teammate.
This Giro reminds me of Bernal's Tour.

Del Toro's greatest opponent is Carapaz, who is coming off a difficult few years.
Simon arrived with less options and Gee finished 7 minutes behind Landa in the TDF2024, with Landa being a domestique.

It's a great achievement, but it reminds me of Bernal's Tour. Rivals in decline and in Bernal´s case, a teammate like G. Thomas.
I didn't consider Bernal a future dominator; I don't think he would have been one without accidents.

He also reminds me of Cunego, who also won the Giro at a very young age and he wasn't a dominant GT rider eider.
In the future, we'll see if Del Toro is like Cunego or Bernal, or if he's more dominant in GT.
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You can’t compare everyone to Pogacar’s level. Right now we are I. The midst of a generational talent that comes around every 25-30 years, and the fact that we have 2 others in Jonas and Remco who approached that level at the same time only compares to the 1981-83 era when LeMond, Fignon, Delgado, and Roche debuted.

These young debuts next crop of young riders probably won’t be as dominant as what we are seeing now, or anytime in the foreseeable future.
 
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perico said:
You can’t compare everyone to Pogacar’s level. Right now we are I. The midst of a generational talent that comes around every 25-30 years, and the fact that we have 2 others in Jonas and Remco who approached that level at the same time only compares to the 1981-83 era when LeMond, Fignon, Delgado, and Roche debuted.

These young debuts next crop of young riders probably won’t be as dominant as what we are seeing now, or anytime in the foreseeable future.
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You're right about Pogacar, that's why I compared him to Bernal and Cunego.
It's possible that Del Toro will be the third, fourth or second best GT rider next year, but what I'm saying is that you can't conclude that from this Giro because the level is so low.

Just to say that it seems to me that Hindley's level in the mountains in 2022 was higher than this year's, and that wasn't an indication that Hindley would be at a certain level, but rather was an indication of the level of the Giro. And I think Carapaz 2022 was superior, so Hindley's level in mountain was more significant.

I find it very significant that Derek Gee is very close here in all the mountain stages, and in the Tour
he wasn't even close to Landa.
Obviously, Gee could be at a much higher level in this Giro.

But in this Giro, there are a lot of coincidences:
Carapaz's best GT since 2022.
Simon Yates with a chance of winning a GT on stage 20 since 2018.
Gee close to the podium.
Caruso, who was terrible last year, this year top5 and better than ever.

Carapaz may be better this year, but when four riders, three of them veterans, are better than ever, it's more a matter of the level of the race. They haven't all suddenly improved when they were showing signs of decline.

In short, for me, Del Toro has shown incredible class, but I have the same feeling as when Bernal won Tour. I still don't know if he'll be a rider who wins multiple GTs or if this is simply too much a function of the context.
Even if he wins the Giro, I don't know if he'll be a multiple GT winner.I get the same vibe as whit Bernal.

Outside of GT, Del Toro is going to win a lot, that's for sure.
 
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By the way, what's incredible is that on stage 20 we still don't know if Del Toro at that moment is a good climber on long mountains or no. LOl

He failed on Tuesday, and today they didn't test him.

That describes the horrible route of this Giro. Few mountains, and tomorrow's Finestre blocked today's.
And that also happens when the level is low and the riders aren't taking risks.

Today they really had a slow pace.
According to Gee's Strava numbers they´d be destroyed in Tour :sweatsmile:
With this data, it's very difficult to draw conclusions.

There's a problem when on stage 20 of a GT you can't be sure of the level of most riders.
 
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Cycling111 said:
By the way, what's incredible is that on stage 20 we still don't know if Del Toro at that moment is a good climber on long mountains or no. LOl

He failed on Tuesday, and today they didn't test him.

That describes the horrible route of this Giro. Few mountains, and tomorrow's Finestre blocked today's.
And that also happens when the level is low and the riders aren't taking risks.

Today they really had a slow pace.
According to Gee's Strava numbers they´d be destroyed in Tour :sweatsmile:
With this data, it's very difficult to draw conclusions.

There's a problem when on stage 20 of a GT you can't be sure of the level of most riders.
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Stage 16 was raced fast on the penultimate and the final climb, high tempo on both climbs.
 
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